The LEDShoppe Thread - Page 3 - Laser Pointer Forums

Danjoo · 02-10-2009, 09:21 PM

I order several times, last order at 01.26 got it on 06.02, a very presentable shipping time i would say.
Orders to germany.

last time i order 3x 30mw.
I measure and one is with 48mw way overspec but the two others are way underspec with around only around 17mw.
For the measurement i hook all 3 up on adjustable powersupply at exactly 3 volt.

I sell them to friends, the better ones get the overspec. :

But people dont care, 17mw green pointer is much more laser then most of the people ever have seen, in a pointer.

daniel

Benm · 02-10-2009, 11:50 PM

As far as reselling them goes: If you do it to make a profit, you could set up a very decent business with these.

Just order a whole lot of them, and measure them for output, selling at appropriate prices. If you order 20 of the 30 mWs, you can get a distribution of, for example 5 pcs >10, 10pcs > 20, 3 pcs>30 and if lucky one >40 and one >50.

This is likely to make a profit selling to people that are interested in quality, in my opinion a guaranteed >20 is more valuable than a 'maybe 30'.

Binning like that has been done succesfully with the more expensive CNI pens, but could work for the cheapies as well.

GoRdOn_B · 02-14-2009, 02:50 AM

Order was shipped on 3/2, Just arrived today.

I ordered two 50mW greens and two of the mxdl lipstick size lights.

For the price... its a good deal.

i can see the beam at night, but its not as bright as my WL 55, so i think its underspec (if my WL is even a 55) I also thought that the beam could have been tighter. Still a good deal for the 25$

i would order more

jwc · 02-16-2009, 04:43 PM

I figured out something very interesting about the LEDshoppe 50mW lasers; this is a possible explanation for why the beam diameter is so thick and the divergence isn't great.

I own a ridiculously overpowered 5mW NewWish laser purchased from DX (it's actually 55mW). When I compared the two lasers, I noticed that they made a roughly equally bright dot on a close surface, but at a distance, the LEDshoppe 50mW looks weaker and has a strange, off-center halo around it. Without tearing the thing apart, I compared the lenses of the two pointers. The DX pointer has a very large aperture at the end and the lens is in an adjustable brass housing. The LEDshoppe pointer, on the other hand, has a much smaller aperture (probably half the diameter) and the lens looks to be glued in place!pp

I suspect that the LEDshoppe pointer's lens is just glued in place to achieve a rough focus and the smallness of the aperture helps to keep the beam from diverging wildly.

This would account for why my DX pointer has a very thin, clean beam while the LEDshoppe pointer has a thick and much less visible beam.

scopeguy20 · 02-19-2009, 03:07 AM

;D ;D ;D
O.K. guys in today, my latest 2 LED Shoppe 50 mW pointers... drumroll please...

And on my meter the test results are...

53 mW for 1

94 mW for the second! * I hit the jackpot! *

Please note several comparisons rate my meter as ~ 9.1% above other readings! * StillDam these are good for about $20 ea. *;D ;D ;D

BTW. Goggles a necessity for these! LOL! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

WRM · 02-19-2009, 04:11 AM

[quote author=scopeguy20 link=1226642076/48#54 date=1235016457] ;D ;D ;D
O.K. guys in today, my latest 2 LED Shoppe 50 mW pointers... drumroll please...

Glenn, how long did it take from order to delivery? I ordered one about a week ago. Bill

jwc · 02-19-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRM

[quote author=scopeguy20 link=1226642076/48#54 date=1235016457] ;D ;D ;D
O.K. guys in today, my latest 2 LED Shoppe 50 mW pointers... drumroll please...

Glenn, how long did it take from order to delivery? I ordered one about a week ago. Bill

Mine took 2 to 3 weeks to get here.

REVENGE · 02-20-2009, 02:06 AM

Updated OP with more review links.

scopeguy20 · 02-20-2009, 03:39 AM

I did this like 4 times with LED Shoppe, always about 2 weeks 'till I find it in the mail box! *-Glenn

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

john_lawson · 02-24-2009, 10:44 AM

Just orderd * '5 ' 50 mw pen types will post results soon

#1--- *peak 58 * *average * 54
#2--- *peak 59 * *average * 55
#3--- *peak 60 * *average * 57 *
#4--- peak 45 average 42
#5--- peak 50 average 45

the last two were a bit low

REVENGE · 02-24-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john lawson

Just orderd * '5 ' 50 mw pen types will post results soon

#1---
#2---
#3---
#4---
#5---

Batch testing ftw.

john_lawson · 03-06-2009, 09:15 AM

hopefully this company will be my new 50 mw connection

i got the package at post office note from ledshoppe today so my first partial shipment or two will be tested in the morning

i always split up orders in case someone decided to confiscate :

micallen · 03-07-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micallen

[quote author=Benm link=1226642076/48#48 date=1234289909]I got the 50 mW today, orderen jan 24, so its a bit over 2 weeks to holland... but chinese new year was in the middle, so i suppose its faster normally...

Still waiting on mine that I ordered on 1/23 (U.S.) *

[/quote]
I forgot to update. *I got mine around 2/23 (ordered 1/23). *Very bright compared to my 5 mw. *I have no testing equipment, but am very pleased for the price. *So are a lot of my co-workers. *I will soon be placing a larger order *

Lotus_Darkrose · 03-08-2009, 04:00 PM

Sadly, I had a bad (sort of) experience with Ledshoppe. I don't have a laser power meter, But my friend has a 30mw green laser and the beams at night, and dot on wall were almost completely identical. Dot through white paper were the same, and shined through coca cola, the orange type beam it creates, both lasers made it through the coke about an inch. So I assume I got around a 30mw instead of a 50. But for the price...Who cares, right? Better than buying a 5mw green at office depot for 80 bucks lmfao.

RA_pierce · 03-09-2009, 09:49 PM

Waiting on a 50mW.

Quote:

Sadly, I had a bad (sort of) experience with Ledshoppe. I don't have a laser power meter, But my friend has a 30mw green laser and the beams at night, and dot on wall were almost completely identical. Dot through white paper were the same, and shined through coca cola, the orange type beam it creates, both lasers made it through the coke about an inch. So I assume I got around a 30mw instead of a 50. But for the price...Who cares, right? Better than buying a 5mw green at office depot for 80 bucks lmfao.

There won't be much of a visible difference between 50 and 30mW.
My X50 (averaging 61mW) is nearly as bright as my modified X105.
On low batteries, the X105's beam looks exactly the same as the X50, but the 105 still burns through paper easily.

REVENGE · 03-09-2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john lawson

Just orderd * '5 ' 50 mw pen types will post results soon

#1--- *peak 58 * *average * 54
#2--- *peak 59 * *average * 55
#3--- *peak 60 * *average * 57 *
#4---
#5---

Damn this is looking good.

john_lawson · 03-09-2009, 11:55 PM

i still have two more coming

HumanSymphony · 03-10-2009, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierce

Waiting on a 50mW.

Quote:

Sadly, I had a bad (sort of) experience with Ledshoppe. I don't have a laser power meter, But my friend has a 30mw green laser and the beams at night, and dot on wall were almost completely identical. Dot through white paper were the same, and shined through coca cola, the orange type beam it creates, both lasers made it through the coke about an inch. So I assume I got around a 30mw instead of a 50. But for the price...Who cares, right? Better than buying a 5mw green at office depot for 80 bucks lmfao.

There won't be much of a visible difference between 50 and 30mW.
My X50 (averaging 61mW) is nearly as bright as my modified X105.
On low batteries, the X105's beam looks exactly the same as the X50, but the 105 still burns through paper easily.

takes FOUR times the power to be TWICE as bright :P

EDIT: 666 post! [smiley=evil.gif]

Lotus_Darkrose · 03-11-2009, 03:05 AM

Lol, I'm waiting on a 90mw average pen from Susie atm. Although my experience with Ledshoppe was pretty good now that I look back on it. Not a bad price for what you get. Much better than my first ever purchase from amazon...30mw pointer did that "beam shift over when it turns on" thing. At least I only trashed around 20 bucks. Fairly cheap lesson to learn. Didn't know about the forum then though.

scopeguy20 · 03-11-2009, 05:30 PM

I just got delivery of 2 more of these 50 mW LED Shoppe units, and these are rockin as well. 80 & 85 mW on my Kenometer, and the dot looks sharp and intense from 30 feet compared to my PL III 125 mW unit! So, three of the last 4 were about 80 mW with regular Alcaline batteries, (I only have one pair of Nimh's but I'll be wanting more). I sure hope all those folks who use these in short burning experiments have goggles! 8-) 8-) 8-)

nastynick · 03-11-2009, 06:39 PM

I ordered 10 of the 5mw lasers from ledshoppe, and received them promptly in a week. This was all great but upon receiving them, 3 didnt even work, and the ones that did were extremely underpowered, and the threads didnt mesh at all. I emailed CCNow and they contacted Ledshoppe, I then received an email directly from LedShoppe, and they are sending me ten new personally tested lasers. I hope these will work, because ATM I am not very satisfied with their products.

REVENGE · 03-11-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastynick

I ordered 10 of the 5mw lasers from ledshoppe, and received them promptly in a week. This was all great but upon receiving them, 3 didnt even work, and the ones that did were extremely underpowered, and the threads didnt mesh at all. I emailed CCNow and they contacted Ledshoppe, I then received an email directly from LedShoppe, and they are sending me ten new personally tested lasers. I hope these will work, because ATM I am not very satisfied with their products.

Ten new pointers without question is a pretty generous customer service gesture in my opinion.

That said, I believe all of those "black" pointers (ie not 50mW or 30mW) have decidedly worse quality control than the silver ones. My 5mW blackie that I bought for my brother came with a dent near the apeture and a lopsidedly mounted module.

nastynick · 03-11-2009, 10:41 PM

yah, i ordered two 5mw green lasers off ebay, which had "laser pointer" on the clip on the side of the pointer, and the Ledshoppe 5mw's dont have that, and also have a different warning label, and are case positive. the 50 and 30 mw's have the "laser pointer" engraved in the clip, and have the same warning label. On the label of the 30 and 50mw as well as the ebay 5mw's, it says the brand is "RAY"

bobobob121 · 03-12-2009, 01:02 AM

anyone know if li ion batteries will work fine in these?

also, would anyone like to buy me one with their credit card and then ill do a paypal transfer to their paypal "i only have my paypal attached to bank account and they only accept credit card"

REVENGE · 03-12-2009, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobobob121

anyone know if li ion batteries will work fine in these?

If you mean the AAA sized 10440 batteries, I've heard they will work, but you can only use ONE per pointer with a AAA spacer, else you will far exceed the allowable input voltage of the module, and fry it.

EDIT: By AAA spacer I mean a dummy battery or something that can complete the circuit, NOT a normal AAA battery! You'll probably have to create your own, as I don't think these exist...

02-10-2009, 09:21 PM	#51
Danjoo Class 1M Laser Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 202 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread I order several times, last order at 01.26 got it on 06.02, a very presentable shipping time i would say. Orders to germany. last time i order 3x 30mw. I measure and one is with 48mw way overspec but the two others are way underspec with around only around 17mw. For the measurement i hook all 3 up on adjustable powersupply at exactly 3 volt. I sell them to friends, the better ones get the overspec. : But people dont care, 17mw green pointer is much more laser then most of the people ever have seen, in a pointer. daniel

02-10-2009, 11:50 PM	#52
Benm Class 3B Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,242 Rep Power: 133	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread As far as reselling them goes: If you do it to make a profit, you could set up a very decent business with these. Just order a whole lot of them, and measure them for output, selling at appropriate prices. If you order 20 of the 30 mWs, you can get a distribution of, for example 5 pcs >10, 10pcs > 20, 3 pcs>30 and if lucky one >40 and one >50. This is likely to make a profit selling to people that are interested in quality, in my opinion a guaranteed >20 is more valuable than a 'maybe 30'. Binning like that has been done succesfully with the more expensive CNI pens, but could work for the cheapies as well. __________________ ScienceFlicks Science Videos <- Have a look

02-14-2009, 02:50 AM	#53
GoRdOn_B Class 2M Laser Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Slut Lake Posts: 567 Rep Power: 14	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread Order was shipped on 3/2, Just arrived today. I ordered two 50mW greens and two of the mxdl lipstick size lights. For the price... its a good deal. i can see the beam at night, but its not as bright as my WL 55, so i think its underspec (if my WL is even a 55) I also thought that the beam could have been tighter. Still a good deal for the 25$ i would order more __________________ ~Forget the Tv... I'd rather Hit the Streets & do Graffiti.

02-19-2009, 03:07 AM	#55
scopeguy20 Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sunny S. California WOOT! Posts: 2,568 Rep Power: 159	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread ;D ;D ;D O.K. guys in today, my latest 2 LED Shoppe 50 mW pointers... drumroll please... And on my meter the test results are... 53 mW for 1 94 mW for the second! * I hit the jackpot! * Please note several comparisons rate my meter as ~ 9.1% above other readings! * StillDam these are good for about $20 ea. *;D ;D ;D BTW. Goggles a necessity for these! LOL! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) __________________ 6X Bluray >260 mW, & New FAV! 8X >500 mW! Made by IgorT Flaminpyro BR & ~4 Red Burners on board ~650 nm 175, & ~250 mW & ~300mW 3 Hene's 632.8 nm & 2 635 nm pointers Rigel 3-4 mW I Love it! PGL III 589 nm rated 5mW is >20 mW a new fav! Many Green lasers, EVO PRO Peak ~160 mW & Spyder I Peak 295 mW are my new green favorites! LG Aquarius -10 & Viasho 473 nm peak ~29 mW & From WL on loan, Spyder III rated 60mW but peaks ~100mW! !!!!! 500mW 445nm portable now on board Thanks Flaminpyro LINK !!!!! Blurays by IgorT, john lawson & EzPk0970, jayrob lenses, IgorT 6X & 8X! spiro toy mods w/ side aperture for any pointer Spiro toy in Red & Violet by yobresal too! Laser sleds/ diodes sold so far 1050+, MY IgorT .5 WATT BR is HERE NOW! NOTE: More GGW's & PHR's still some left! !!LINK!!

02-19-2009, 04:11 AM	#56
WRM Class 1M Laser Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Trenton, NJ Posts: 196 Rep Power: 14	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread [quote author=scopeguy20 link=1226642076/48#54 date=1235016457] ;D ;D ;D O.K. guys in today, my latest 2 LED Shoppe 50 mW pointers... drumroll please... Glenn, how long did it take from order to delivery? I ordered one about a week ago. Bill

02-16-2009, 04:43 PM	#54
jwc Class 2 Laser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MA Posts: 339 Rep Power: 7	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread I figured out something very interesting about the LEDshoppe 50mW lasers; this is a possible explanation for why the beam diameter is so thick and the divergence isn't great. I own a ridiculously overpowered 5mW NewWish laser purchased from DX (it's actually 55mW). When I compared the two lasers, I noticed that they made a roughly equally bright dot on a close surface, but at a distance, the LEDshoppe 50mW looks weaker and has a strange, off-center halo around it. Without tearing the thing apart, I compared the lenses of the two pointers. The DX pointer has a very large aperture at the end and the lens is in an adjustable brass housing. The LEDshoppe pointer, on the other hand, has a much smaller aperture (probably half the diameter) and the lens looks to be glued in place!pp I suspect that the LEDshoppe pointer's lens is just glued in place to achieve a rough focus and the smallness of the aperture helps to keep the beam from diverging wildly. This would account for why my DX pointer has a very thin, clean beam while the LEDshoppe pointer has a thick and much less visible beam. __________________ -- jwc http://jwcxz.com/ \| blog lasers: 5mW, 50mW, 70mW, 120mW, 300mW \| 100mW custom mini burner \| Triple Play (matching RGV laser set) meters: liconix 45PM \| scientech 372 (10W and 50W thermopiles) current project: DIY TEC-stabilized green

02-20-2009, 02:06 AM	#58
REVENGE Class 1M Laser Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 147 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread Updated OP with more review links.

02-20-2009, 03:39 AM	#59
scopeguy20 Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sunny S. California WOOT! Posts: 2,568 Rep Power: 159	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread I did this like 4 times with LED Shoppe, always about 2 weeks 'till I find it in the mail box! *-Glenn 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) __________________ 6X Bluray >260 mW, & New FAV! 8X >500 mW! Made by IgorT Flaminpyro BR & ~4 Red Burners on board ~650 nm 175, & ~250 mW & ~300mW 3 Hene's 632.8 nm & 2 635 nm pointers Rigel 3-4 mW I Love it! PGL III 589 nm rated 5mW is >20 mW a new fav! Many Green lasers, EVO PRO Peak ~160 mW & Spyder I Peak 295 mW are my new green favorites! LG Aquarius -10 & Viasho 473 nm peak ~29 mW & From WL on loan, Spyder III rated 60mW but peaks ~100mW! !!!!! 500mW 445nm portable now on board Thanks Flaminpyro LINK !!!!! Blurays by IgorT, john lawson & EzPk0970, jayrob lenses, IgorT 6X & 8X! spiro toy mods w/ side aperture for any pointer Spiro toy in Red & Violet by yobresal too! Laser sleds/ diodes sold so far 1050+, MY IgorT .5 WATT BR is HERE NOW! NOTE: More GGW's & PHR's still some left! !!LINK!!

02-24-2009, 10:44 AM	#60
john_lawson Class 3B Laser Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: central california Posts: 3,122 Rep Power: 174	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread Just orderd * '5 ' 50 mw pen types will post results soon #1--- peak 58 average 54 #2--- peak 59 average 55 #3--- peak 60 average 57 * #4--- peak 45 average 42 #5--- peak 50 average 45 the last two were a bit low __________________ The first step is admitting you have a problem Techlaser 532 100 mw cni pointer 106-110 mw Wicked laser 532 evo pro 135 mw-mnf sample Wicked laser spyder pro 2 240 mw mnf sample Wicked laser spyder 1 pro 180 mw nice sweet unit kenom kryton groove 405 nm 125 mW phr enighmus 405 two cr123a host nice 100 mW 6x wicked core 200 mw glass lense 650 loc in susies Rpl host 175 mw glass lense pen style loc 200 mw glass lense

03-06-2009, 09:15 AM	#62
john_lawson Class 3B Laser Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: central california Posts: 3,122 Rep Power: 174	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread hopefully this company will be my new 50 mw connection i got the package at post office note from ledshoppe today so my first partial shipment or two will be tested in the morning i always split up orders in case someone decided to confiscate : __________________ The first step is admitting you have a problem Techlaser 532 100 mw cni pointer 106-110 mw Wicked laser 532 evo pro 135 mw-mnf sample Wicked laser spyder pro 2 240 mw mnf sample Wicked laser spyder 1 pro 180 mw nice sweet unit kenom kryton groove 405 nm 125 mW phr enighmus 405 two cr123a host nice 100 mW 6x wicked core 200 mw glass lense 650 loc in susies Rpl host 175 mw glass lense pen style loc 200 mw glass lense

03-08-2009, 04:00 PM	#64
Lotus_Darkrose Class 1M Laser Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 230 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread Sadly, I had a bad (sort of) experience with Ledshoppe. I don't have a laser power meter, But my friend has a 30mw green laser and the beams at night, and dot on wall were almost completely identical. Dot through white paper were the same, and shined through coca cola, the orange type beam it creates, both lasers made it through the coke about an inch. So I assume I got around a 30mw instead of a 50. But for the price...Who cares, right? Better than buying a 5mw green at office depot for 80 bucks lmfao.

03-09-2009, 11:55 PM	#67
john_lawson Class 3B Laser Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: central california Posts: 3,122 Rep Power: 174	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread i still have two more coming __________________ The first step is admitting you have a problem Techlaser 532 100 mw cni pointer 106-110 mw Wicked laser 532 evo pro 135 mw-mnf sample Wicked laser spyder pro 2 240 mw mnf sample Wicked laser spyder 1 pro 180 mw nice sweet unit kenom kryton groove 405 nm 125 mW phr enighmus 405 two cr123a host nice 100 mW 6x wicked core 200 mw glass lense 650 loc in susies Rpl host 175 mw glass lense pen style loc 200 mw glass lense

03-11-2009, 03:05 AM	#69
Lotus_Darkrose Class 1M Laser Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 230 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread Lol, I'm waiting on a 90mw average pen from Susie atm. Although my experience with Ledshoppe was pretty good now that I look back on it. Not a bad price for what you get. Much better than my first ever purchase from amazon...30mw pointer did that "beam shift over when it turns on" thing. At least I only trashed around 20 bucks. Fairly cheap lesson to learn. Didn't know about the forum then though.

03-11-2009, 05:30 PM	#70
scopeguy20 Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sunny S. California WOOT! Posts: 2,568 Rep Power: 159	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread I just got delivery of 2 more of these 50 mW LED Shoppe units, and these are rockin as well. 80 & 85 mW on my Kenometer, and the dot looks sharp and intense from 30 feet compared to my PL III 125 mW unit! So, three of the last 4 were about 80 mW with regular Alcaline batteries, (I only have one pair of Nimh's but I'll be wanting more). I sure hope all those folks who use these in short burning experiments have goggles! 8-) 8-) 8-) __________________ 6X Bluray >260 mW, & New FAV! 8X >500 mW! Made by IgorT Flaminpyro BR & ~4 Red Burners on board ~650 nm 175, & ~250 mW & ~300mW 3 Hene's 632.8 nm & 2 635 nm pointers Rigel 3-4 mW I Love it! PGL III 589 nm rated 5mW is >20 mW a new fav! Many Green lasers, EVO PRO Peak ~160 mW & Spyder I Peak 295 mW are my new green favorites! LG Aquarius -10 & Viasho 473 nm peak ~29 mW & From WL on loan, Spyder III rated 60mW but peaks ~100mW! !!!!! 500mW 445nm portable now on board Thanks Flaminpyro LINK !!!!! Blurays by IgorT, john lawson & EzPk0970, jayrob lenses, IgorT 6X & 8X! spiro toy mods w/ side aperture for any pointer Spiro toy in Red & Violet by yobresal too! Laser sleds/ diodes sold so far 1050+, MY IgorT .5 WATT BR is HERE NOW! NOTE: More GGW's & PHR's still some left! !!LINK!!

03-11-2009, 06:39 PM	#71
nastynick Class 1M Laser Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread I ordered 10 of the 5mw lasers from ledshoppe, and received them promptly in a week. This was all great but upon receiving them, 3 didnt even work, and the ones that did were extremely underpowered, and the threads didnt mesh at all. I emailed CCNow and they contacted Ledshoppe, I then received an email directly from LedShoppe, and they are sending me ten new personally tested lasers. I hope these will work, because ATM I am not very satisfied with their products.

03-11-2009, 10:41 PM	#73
nastynick Class 1M Laser Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 2	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread yah, i ordered two 5mw green lasers off ebay, which had "laser pointer" on the clip on the side of the pointer, and the Ledshoppe 5mw's dont have that, and also have a different warning label, and are case positive. the 50 and 30 mw's have the "laser pointer" engraved in the clip, and have the same warning label. On the label of the 30 and 50mw as well as the ebay 5mw's, it says the brand is "RAY"

03-12-2009, 01:02 AM	#74
bobobob121 Class 2M Laser Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 728 Rep Power: 5	Re: The LEDShoppe Thread anyone know if li ion batteries will work fine in these? also, would anyone like to buy me one with their credit card and then ill do a paypal transfer to their paypal "i only have my paypal attached to bank account and they only accept credit card" __________________ Ahh lets all freak out about IR!!

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