Dark Horse vs Dark Lasers

Dark_Horse said:

To all LPF-members:

It has come to my attention about some confusion about my affiliation with "darklaser.com".

I have recently had several newer-members assume that I was somehow part of this other web-store. I cleared the issue with them, but just the last few days I have had some of my closest-friends on LPF assume that I have something to do with him, perhaps even the same person. I have never even had any contact with "DarkArmyOfOne".

One long-time member even complemented me on my "new web-site", not really that "new" anymore now I replied. He explained that he used Google to find my store because he could not remember the address at the moment. He typed-in the basic keywords that many would use to find my store, "dark" and "laser", guess who popped-up, now with the very similar-look, even my associates believed they were on my site!

Another close friend and senior forum-member finally sent me link to his site last night, also confused. I had not visited this site until now, what I seen is that his format is very similar to my web-template, but the kicker is that his background-image is one of the rotating-background images directly from my site. I want to be clear, I do not own exclusive-rights to this image, but I did get it from a rather obscure-location and it would be naive of me to assume that he happened across it independently and chose it for his similar-named, and formatted web-site, selling similar products, with the exact-same background-image, located at a very similar URL.

I am not at all concerned about losing business to this other vendor, as we at Dark Hosre Custom only provide our own products to the forum-members. Our whole web-store was started, (1 1/2 years ago), as a conveience to by beloved fellow forum-member and not as a "profit-center". He can't sell our products, unless we were to sell them to him, because I make them. But it concerns me greatly that my reputation could be associated with someone else, anyone else.

Self-identity is an important thing, but especially when used in a forum-setting or in business. I do not see any other vendors on the forum that have any similarities at all, except possibly in the items that they sell, except for the aforementioned member and myself. In a little quick review of posts, I see that this other member is even referred to as "Dark" for short, which is understandable, given his user-name but another source for continued confusion.

Those who know me, know that I avoid controversy, petty arguments and spamming, even sometimes at my cost. I guess it is assumed that because one does not exercise force, it is assumed that I am weak. I tend only to post to add useful information to this forum. Note my post-count after 2-years, but many of those posts were detailing very unique and "first-of-its-kind" information. But I cannot allow this to continue without me speaking-up and clearing the air. This post is not me "pounding my fist" and saying that Darklasers must develop his own clear-identity. I cannot see any firm-ground upon which to do so, nor is it my style, (hence the name "Dark Horse"). I do however want to inform everyone on the forum that we are not the same person and have no affiliation whatsoever.

I am not "calling" for anything here, there is no "veiled-threat" or "call-to-arms" here, I am however making it distinctly clear, since it seams there are other forces at work to the contrary.

I have attached an image of each of our homepages, judge for yourselves.

Happy building,
Barry

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Barry - welcome to the club of the screwed by the kiddies ! I had similiar discussions with "Mr. Stealz a lot" from high Tech Stealz....He copied my entire format, stole ALL my product pictures, as well as lying to everyone on the forum about me. Is it any wonder I backed away from the forum, and all the drama, and stupid little children ? NOPE.

I will apologize in advance to YOU, Barry - for any stress my comments on your post may cause - but anyone who would copy another's hard work is simply a theif, no two ways about it, PERIOD.
To all the rest of the forum members reading this thread, specifically my post in it, stay on the freaking subject, and if you are not a panty-waisted loser child, then my comments do not apply to you, although I am CERTAIN some will post lotsa slander as a reply.

Barry, sorry you are having issues like this - I also highly encourage you to take active "hacking" countermeasures immediately if you have not done so, as any theif that would steal from you would not stop there.

WHOA... ok back up. PAUSE people!

CHARLIEBRUCE suggested that as my BG immage for the site! not trying to throw you under the bus or aything Charlie, but you NEED to tell them that YOU placed that immage there, you simply showed it to me, and i liked it! i didnt know it was an official part of another persons site.

I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with changing the BG, the immage is NOT copywritten no, BUT i am not trying to start problems with anyone. I havent even really seen Dark Horses website (WHO I AM IN NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH! AND NEVER CLAIMED TO BE)

Why the hell didnt you PM me if there was an issue Dark Horse? this entire issue AND thread was brought to my attention less than 10 minuets ago.

Not an issue to change the background.

And for THE RECORD, i didnt snag the file off of dark horses site CHARLIE GAVE IT TO ME! how was i supposed to even know? there no copywrite on it, or a watermark, it was the LAST thing i was thinking of when launching he site. at the time of launch, i didnt even know dark horses URL for crying out loud, so yell at charlie, not me.

Maybe our sites look SO similiar because the SAME person did all the work. The only changes I make to my site, is listing items, and adjusting prices.

And yes i have SHAME Daguin, but you ONCE AGAIN jump the gun before you even know a SINGLE fact. your like a broken record sometimes. and i will explain all i want WHILE fixing it at the same time. where do you get off telling me what i can and cannot say, and when i can say it? you are obviously confused about the whole thing, and hopefully between MY POST, AND CHARLIES you can see that. Why do you have such a hardon for me man? go ahead, pick my site apart, i WELCOME you with open doors bud When are you going to realize you dont scare me Dave, Your entitled to your opinions all you want, but i'd like to actually see some FACT come out of your mouth, wich you've yet to do, in any of my "cases". YOU single handedly make this forum seem like a court-room sometimes. Anyways, hope you "get" it now. The issue is being fixed. You should lighten up on telling people what to do... makes you look like a bully, because you are in fact wrong sir

"be a MAN", and leave well enough alone

And Matrix, i couldnt be sued over anything, not even the BG image. UNCOPYWRITTEN, and the layout of ZenCart is the layout of ZenCart... even modwerx had a custom template designed (at least it sais that at the bottom of his page) Charlie arraged my site and asked my if i liked it, naturaly, i said yes

Do you all really think i was looking at Darkhorses site, taking notes, copying immages, and then sending the info to charlie to replicate? no.

I dont do the FTP work on my site, thats what i PAY charlie for, so if anyone has an issue, it's gunna have to wait until Charlie can find the time to change the BG immages around.

And again, thanks for PMing me asking if i had truely done that first, instead of starting a concerned thread, wich everyone feels the need to jump in and ASSUME I stole it...

Like i said, it isnt even an issue. the BG will be changed. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS ASK!!!

And Charlie... you never told me it was a place holder, you said "the colored smoke reflects the theme of your site well" and you never sad anything more... i wish you would have warned me that he is actually using that image, even before my site launched... or at least have mentioned it may be an issue down the road, all i remember you re-iterating is the fact that it wasnt coppywritten.

So to Dark Horse - My sincere apologies, i was un-aware of this "rotating" background, or that it was part of your site at all. was completely un-known to me, it was just a photo Charlie showed me, and i liked it. and he FTP'ed it over to my ste, and that was it. thats the WHOLE story... if you have any other outstanding issues, try getting in touch with me first, before you start a sh*t-storm like this. it's not good for either of us. And if our sites are similiar, then i WANT it changed. Im not trying to copy anyone, dont need to.

So maybe now we can let this rest, HOPEFULLY.

I will instruct Charlie to change the BG immage to something of my own design, maybe even hold another contest, the banner contest went over well last time. might be fun to do again, and that way no one can ever argue where it came from

Sorry for the confusion to those of you just reading this now, Me and Dark Horse have absolutely no connection. We both just happen to have the word "Dark" in our site's names. and my name i derived from my own, a spin off of darkarmyofone, darkarmyofone's lasers... Dark Lasers thats all. So dont get it twisted guys, me and him dont even COMPETE. We dont even sell the same items (AFAIK)

I actually work with allot of his Cree C3 hosts (i think thats what it's called) all silver, and had a cool heatsink that is hollowed out, and sliced through to allow for maximum room inside, and utilizes TWO set screws. if i may say so myself, it is actually one of my All time favorite hosts, as it can be used with, OR withough the PCB as a positive contact point (RKCSTR with a spring) Thats definately a plus when choosing a host, the option to go either direction if you so please.

So sorry about all this, once again. If i knew how to take the immage down myself, i would. but i must wait on Charies awsome Web-Design skillz (anyone ever needs a site built, check CharlieBruce out, he's where it's at!) And i'm not Blaming you Charlie, no one is really to blame, it was a matter of being un-informed. and the matter is being taken care of as we speak. so relax everyone, it's over. Done, and over. I kida wanted a new BG anyways, it strains the eyes after a while, all the white on black.

If anyone still has an issue, PM me, im not going to be following up on this thread as the air has now been cleared, and a new BG immage is in the works. so the issue in my eyes, is over with. And hopefully that is enough to avoid 100% un-wanted conflict with a fellow shop owner. there is no need for animosity between us Barry, we both cover different ends of the market when it comes to product. I hope we can co-exist in Peace friend, I have nothing against you, never did. I simply admire your work, and thats literaly the most i can say, I dont know much more about you lol, or your site. but you have to admit about the "layout", that must have something to do with how ZenCart is in general, or what CharlieBruce was used to working with. We both hired the same designer, so it makes sense ya know. Im PMing you now, we can communicate there, not here, amongst the savages, their thirst for blood never ends if you havent noticed.

Tyler - Dark Lasers

You're frothing at the mouth Tyler. That was quite a treatise for you.

I gave you the benefit of it being a mistake. I said if it was an honest mistake to fix it.

You are so on the edge with defending yourself that you only see the accusations and none of the qualifications

And yes. If you get caught ripping one segment of society off, it is assumed that you will do it in other segments.

People making their first mistake get some leeway. If a problem arises again, they get very little wiggle room

If you lie in one area, your word is not good in any other area either.

Oh the tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

Peace,
dave

Dunno about you guys but I feel like this got out of hand quickly,

just want to say sorry Tyler, I jumped the gun... You definitely didn't deserve some of that abuse, seems like your were kinda in the firing line with some other issues that have arisen with other people.

oh yeah, i practice decieving aaaalll the time :crackup:

Wheres that cold hard proof i asked for?

Ya see Daguin, the situation has been taken care of, and THIS situation has not a single thing to do with you. unlike the module issue, you should be concentrating on other more productive things, you take each and every opportunity to jump on me all over an obviously till standing personal vendetta.

You seem to be the one "frothing at the mouth" at EVERY opportuity you see, you took it upon yourselfto ASSUME... and you did exactly that, you made an ass out of me and yourself.

Try doing your research first, as you tell so many others...literaly

And the only time im on the edge defendig myself, is when YOU stick your nose into other peoples biz, and try to be some macho man or something. Im 100% capable of hndling these issues myself, and the forum isnt filled with toddlers, so stop acting like a babysitter Dave, why dont, you just do YOU, and i'll do ME sound good? sounds good to me, but we BOTH know you will NEVER stop, you dont know how, even once proven wrong, you'll change the subject, or redirect the issue to something else, like you always do.

If it werent for men like you, attacking anyone and everyone over the SMALLEST of all things not involvng you, i wouldnt have these issues, This was a mistake, i suppose i SHOULD say thank you for the benefit of the doubt, but why bother, you'll only continue to be a condescending, downgrading, mean-spirited person. I've tried on over 5 occasions to make peace with you, ALL my attempts were responded to with a very biased, and mean ass PM each time, if a reply was even sent at all. So i've given up, i dont even want anything to DO with you.

Ya know, i used to look up to you so much, as i've said in the bast, but now, your becoming what i would call a "drag" on this forum, you think you have so much power, and you flex your muscles all the time, and you make it feel like we have to walk on eggshells around you all day long! And not just me! That sir, was quoted from an un-named VET, and most likely a friend of yours! so that should say something all by itself...coming from a friend of yours and all... oh wait, i forgot, you only have 4 friends, remember i should have said "colleague" lol

Why not use your time to be constructive? instead of DESTRUCTIVE. because for the past two months, all you've been doing is riding my ass to no prevail, im still here, im NOT a scammer, thats been proven over and over, and the module issue is long done with, as well as the BG issue wich has truely not a THING to do with you.

I bet you even got a nice adrenilin rush when you saw you had a chance to lay into me again didnt ya Thats all your antics boil down to now Dave, YOUR personal grudge against me, you had NO idea wether i took that immage or not. YET, you made a post acting like i most definately did. You've now literaly got it out for me. You and you alone Dave, no one else pulls the shit you do, because they have better things to do! so it's fact now, Daguin cant let go of a grudge... simple as that, hence why i gave up on repeatedly biting my tongue out of RESPECT for you. but thats over with now, your determination to X me out is unstoppable, it means to much to you aparently.

You should just really, really figure out the FACTS before you make a rude ass post like that, and the telling people what to do shit aint gunna fly with me, i bow to no man. And there shouldnt be a need to bow to begin with.

It's a shame you went from LPF Legend in my eyes, to LPF BULLY of the year.

And you still havent proven any of you claims. just give it up man, you aint got NOTHIN on me, and thats a fact.

Tyler - Dark Lasers

Asherz said:

Dunno about you guys but I feel like this got out of hand quickly,

just want to say sorry Tyler, I jumped the gun... You definitely didn't deserve some of that abuse, seems like your were kinda in the firing line with some other issues that have arisen with other people.

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Your cool Ash, dont worry about it. At least your man enough to actualy step up and admit you jumpd the gun a little, i have much respect for you for that. It would be nice to see others fllow suit...

And yeah, if you cant tell, theres a few other SELLERS who have a hard-on for Dark Lasers, or me, one of the two.

Thanks Ash, you've shown a nice level of maturity, and i thank you for at least giving me the time of day, unlike some people i know...

Tyler - Dark Lasers

no offence tyler but from all the stuff you type and the pms you have sent me in the past you do get on the defensive side way to quickly. my point of view is if you havent done anything wrong then theres nothing to get defensive about... just explain yourself and work to make it right. while you are working to make it right you are still getting very defensive over nothing really...

You brought it on yourself, Tyler.

I warned you not to bring me into it.

Yes. You are now my personal project.

I have plenty of "cold hard facts."

It is all I deal with, in opposition to your emotional rants.

If you choose to go into a court of law, I will bring them and witnesses.

You wish to operate in the shadows (PM's) because in the light of day, you look pretty bad.

The more people talk about you with each other, the more your deceptive actions become exposed.

Once a liar . . . . .

Peace,
dave

Dave - not worth it, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen the comment, "I used to look up to you, but now..." posted by some of the "people" on the forum, in regards to anyone who has actually contributed something to this hobby. Perhaps you, and others should simply not post for a while, let the forum founder more, and see what happens. Greedy little children will lose every time.

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Dave - not worth it, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen the comment, "I used to look up to you, but now..." posted by some of the "people" on the forum, in regards to anyone who has actually contributed something to this hobby. Perhaps you, and others should simply not post for a while, let the forum founder more, and see what happens. Greedy little children will lose every time.

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Thanks Greg. It is really no problem. He is no more than a piss-ant trying to be a lion. The only reason I bother with him at all is that he was lying to people and charging exorbitant prices for poor quality builds.

He is a great "talker" so the Noobs (especially) were being victimized by him. I have copies of PM's and transcripts from chats. I have actually measured the output of one of his builds and repaired the poor quality workmanship for the owner.

I warned him how to act and to leave me out of it. He instead chose to insult me and "challenge" my knowledge about his practices.

He is a child puffing up, screaming, and stomping his foot because he can't have any more candy from the bowl.

P.S. Great to hear from you again. I hope you are coping with life.

Peace,
dave

there was no mention of court Dave, plus, you have nothing to take me to court over. and last time i checked, your profesion wasnt "Lawyer". so it's confirmed again, your out for me, gunnin for me on purpose, with no real motive, except you plain dont like me. and thats all i've yet to see from you. waste your time and try to take me to court if you want. but over what? :crackup: a background image? a module? seriously?

and im not being defensive of THIS situation for the record. you cant expect someone to NOT explain themselves Dave. you werent dragged in, you were commenting YOUR THOUGHTS just as i was. so do as you please, in the end, we will see. as i've said MANY a time before, i havent a single thing to hide. So you do whatever makes you happy dave, wich seems to be ragging on me. so if your willing to respond to a post of mine, then no one dragged you into anything, you literaly brought yourself into it. And if you wanna try to take me to court all of the sudden?? go ahead i guess, ya wont win, you'll just waste your money lol. you've got nothin illegal on me Dave and we both know it.

Senkat - guess you have something against me to? what rotten thing have i done now?

Drew - I wouldnt have to "sound" defensive is people didnt start situaions like this. Dark Horse is 100% justified in being concerned, but when you make an UNSOLVED issue, a live issue on a live forum, of course im going to defend myself. it'd be foolish not to. to not respond, would confirm everyones suspicions, hence why i thanked Charlie for alerting me of this issue. And we all have our time Drew, me, you, all of us are a little defensive now and then, ecspecially when not given a choice, wich is the case here. I still dont have another bad word to say about you Drew, lets not get started in gain ok? that sounds like a good way to handle this to me. enough is enough already.

you guys are savages, what a forum...

Sorry Dave, but even though I feel Tyler may be acting a little too emotional and defensive in his replies, I still think you are in the wrong here. You may have included a little side note about him just having to fix it if it was an honest mistake, but the main part of your post was a full on, unfair attack, which you now refuse to apologize for.
I have a lot of respect for you and your contributions to this forum, but I cannot just stand by and watch when you treat a member like this.
You might have had other encounters with Tyler which cause you to have this attitude towards him, but in this particular issue he was not responsible for problem but still had to get a load of crap from you.

And Greg.. I must say I am offended by your post. You seem to have some major problem with anyone new or young, just because you have had bad experience with a few noobs here.You may have been here for longer, done a lot of deals and are older, but that does not mean you can talk down to other members like that. I am getting quite sick of the "We hate young people" mentality on the forum lately. Many very helpful and polite members here are younger than 25, and several troublemakers have been at least 30. Quit spewing all this prejudice crap. There are black sheep in any herd.

Seb

daguin said:

Thanks Greg. It is really no problem. He is no more than a piss-ant trying to be a lion. The only reason I bother with him at all is that he was lying to people and charging exorbitant prices for poor quality builds.

He is a great "talker" so the Noobs (especially) were being victimized by him. I have copies of PM's and transcripts from chats. I have actually measured the output of one of his builds and repaired the poor quality workmanship for the owner.

I warned him how to act and to leave me out of it. He instead chose to insult me and "challenge" my knowledge about his practices.

He is a child puffing up, screaming, and stomping his foot because he can't have any more candy from the bowl.

P.S. Great to hear from you again. I hope you are coping with life.

Peace,
dave

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Oh now i chose to insult you? hrmmm... i cant even COUNT the number of times you've publicly insulted AND challenged me lol, Sensitive today?

And i dont even build lasers anymore, so why are you STILL wasting your time lol, your so predicable.

your just a Cenile old man, simple as that.

I stand my ground, and will never back down, i wont let you just treat me like a punk for no reason Dave. You didnt even have a real issue at hand here inthis thread, but like i said, your CENILE, and you POUNCED the first opportunity you had.

Your nothing but a 100% genuine hater.

Peace out Haters, got something to say? PM me, i'll be dealing with the BG issue for now.

I may indeed have been more harsh than was warranted. However, it comes on the heels of other deceptions and rip offs. As I said, if it is the first offense then leeway is given. If it is a repeat offense, then the default is to err on the side of protecting the victim.

@ Tyler -- I believe it is very clear that I said if YOU choose to go into a court of law I will bring them. I didn't say anything about taking you to court. Your simplistic attempt to find out who is ratting you out will not work with me.

I left you alone until multiple members started PMing me with questions about what you were telling them and how much you were charging them

Yes. I am now over your shoulder

Yes. I will now "look" for wrongs.

I warned you in private

Now we are public

You invited me into this position.

Peace,
dave

Jaseth said:

Sorry Dave, but even though I feel Tyler may be acting a little too emotional and defensive in his replies, I still think you are in the wrong here. You may have included a little side note about him just having to fix it if it was an honest mistake, but the main part of your post was a full on, unfair attack, which you now refuse to apologize for.
I have a lot of respect for you and your contributions to this forum, but I cannot just stand by and watch when you treat a member like this.
You might have had other encounters with Tyler which cause you to have this attitude towards him, but in this particular issue he was not responsible for problem but still had to get a load of crap from you.

And Greg.. I must say I am offended by your post. You seem to have some major problem with anyone new or young, just because you have had bad experience with a few noobs here.You may have been here for longer, done a lot of deals and are older, but that does not mean you can talk down to other members like that. I am getting quite sick of the "We hate young people" mentality on the forum lately. Many very helpful and polite members here are younger than 25, and several troublemakers have been at least 30. Quit spewing all this prejudice crap. There are black sheep in any herd.

Seb

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A few closing statements:

1) I can see what you are getting at Dave, and I understand it to some extent. When I did a non laser-related deal with Tyler though, he was extremely nice and polite and personally I feel this "Big brother is watching you" thing is going overboard.. But if you want to spend your time doing it, go ahead I guess. It may just end up proving that Tyler has in fact learned from those earlier mistakes he made, or you may discover that he is a lying scammer. Even though I think the first scenario is more likely, I guess both of them would end up justifying you keeping an eye on him.

2) No offense Tyler, but I really don't like being given rep for participating in discussions such as these. The side I take in arguments changes with whoever I think is in the right at that point, I don't simply pick one side and then "battle" the other. I know you gave the rep to be nice, but for me it makes it seem like I was part of some little "dethrone King Dave" group, which is not the case. I still largely respect Dave and I think he is partly justified in what he has said too.
Basically.. I prefer being given reps for helping the community and completing deals rather than as a gift or bribe.

3) D_H, I am very sorry that you have encountered so much trouble with the name and website confusion. I hope Charlie manages to sort it out for Tyler soon so that the damage is minimized.
If it is of any consolation, I have never purchased from your website or even spoken to you, and my dealings with Tyler were before he even started building lasers - and I am not a senior member either - but I still at no point had you two or your shops confused.
I would advise you to post a bit more here on LPF - I know you prefer mainly writing long and detailed, new-knowledge posts, but if you just commented on a discussion now and then I think it would help people remember you and remember the difference between you and Tyler. A lot of people are joining and have joined recently too, and they are potential customers!
I know it may seem a bit "fake", but I think it is necessary to let your name continue to be known to more than just senior members. I bet you also have some great knowledge and ideas to contribute

Seb

Like i said have a field day Dave! Go for it! Have at it till you croak!

Your just being a poor sport now

I aint afrad of you, for i have nothing to fear. ecspecially you. As Jaseth said, you cant just run around and scream shit at the younger members, reguardless of my past, THIS situation wasnt a wrong on my end. thats what's putting you on the shitty end of this arguement in public Dave.

I need no warning from you, you dont scare me, and you dont have anything to use against me. nor any reason to if you did, YOUR the one who chooses to start shit Dave, YOU.

And yes i did invite you, as a gesture of how NOT worried about it i am lol. Your gunna do your old man thing no matter what, so dont try and stick up for me guys, Daguin will turn YOU into a target as well.

But respect to Jaseth for SEEING THE TRUTH ABOUT DAVE, +REP for sure.

See Dave, now your just making yourself look like a bully.

you say i was warned once, and if it happened again no leiwhey or w/e would be given, well it DIDNT happen again, are you dumb? this whole thread was over a mis-understandng, and resulted from the work of the SAME webdesigner.

Thats where you stand wrong Dave, since you cant see it for yourself, i pointed it out for you.

What your doing now, the way your acting, the things your saying, are out of pure anger and hatred for me from PAST issues. NOT this one because i WAS in the right. so you should take a step back, evaluate, and re-think your response before you make yourself look anymore foolish than you already have. I know it must just KILL you to have a 21yr old say that to you, and THATS wat i think your REAL motivaton is. PAST resentment. your "supposed" to be the most mature of them all Dave, but your slacking with your un-dying hatred for me.

So thank you for being one of the FEW with balls to stand up for what is REALLY right Jaseth, your one of the few who are not intimidated by Daguin, and his htefull antics.

He's simply out to get me, theres no denying it, and theres no real reason for it, except for.... yup, you guessed it. Daves personal Vendetta against me, So we will be at war forever then? sad. but it's your call. and we all already know what your answere is. the SAME bulshit you spew about me in every other hate post/thread

This guy even goes so far as to go out of his way, ad ASK people to ship HIM their lasers, so he can measure them. know what thats called dave? HUNTING fOR AMMO! because you have none. and if you do, their little 22 shells lol!

If you choose not to start shit, shit wont get thrown back at you davey You could have ended this a month ago, but you choose the path of MOST ressitence every single time, hence why i called you "predictable" because you are.

Watch, your next post will be a response to this one, not proving yourself, but most likely only containing MORE rants and claims about me, your FAVORITE LPF member

This is getting old... like you...