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hi, i'm going to build an RGV laser baser on PHR803T optic. I'll use PHR violet diode (@ 100~130mA), 16x red diode from darklasers and some green. but my question is: what power on green is good to combinate with those lasers?

edit: and what's the recommended current of the darklaser's 16x laser?


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The ratio is approximately 4:1:4 for RGB at those wavelengths.
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I have a couple of RGV setups that use a 140mW PHR, 200mW red, and 40mW green that aren't so bad ... I'd personally like to turn the green back a hair more but the modules stop lasing at about 35-40mW.
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Brightness is more important than perfect color balance if you ask me. No one will notice, "hey, that 'white' looks a little green to me," but they may say, "that show was kind of dim."
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In a show, for sure...

But if your talking about the 7 color build first shown by rog8811, then you will want to try for a nice color blend for the 'mixed' dots/beams.

I have recorded the settings from two different 7 color builds. A low power one, and a high power one using the PHR sled optics. See this post:
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Check out this program for color blending Chroma - a laser color blender - Photonlexicon Props to Tocket for bringing this to life.
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That Chroma Program is excellent. Thanks for the link! Perfect as I start my RGV build

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Example: lets say your building a 500mw combinde beam line out put.
1) 405nm @ 100mw.
2) 532nm @ 200mw.
3) 650nm @ 200mw.
works well for 7 colors on TTL modulation
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Works well? You're talking out of your ass again, sir. First, that's not white, that's a lime green. You need about four times more red than that and about eight times more violet than that. Second, the ratio is stated in the order it was given. The ratio you listed was 2:2:1. You need to shoot for 4:1:4
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Works well? You're talking out of your ass again, sir. First, that's not white, that's a lime green. You need about four times more red than that and about eight times more violet than that. Second, the ratio is stated in the order it was given. The ratio you listed was 2:2:1. You need to shoot for 4:1:4
I don't understand your bad languge to me! I deal in the industy of laser shows from 1983 to now, GODSLIGHTSHOWS.COM (GODS LIGHT SHOWS and advertising) I did not make up that ratio It was given to me by CT LASERS (Marc) who builds commercial projectors, and was comfermed by Bill, W at Pangolin they by any means have an undersstading that gose past you and your wiki pidea knowladge will ever be! I have e-mailed them both and asked the rookie Q's to them, But thats what I remember the ratio to be, If you look at my 2010 SELEM show the white looks perfict, so when they e-mail me back and tell me my version of the ratio is wrong or right I'll be shure to post acrdingly and kiss your ASS or tell you to kiss my ASS!
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I don't understand your bad languge to me! I deal in the industy of laser shows from 1983 to now, GODSLIGHTSHOWS.COM (GODS LIGHT SHOWS and advertising) I did not make up that ratio It was given to me by CT LASERS (Marc) who builds commercial projectors, and was comfermed by Bill, W at Pangolin they by any means have an undersstading that gose past you and your wiki pidea knowladge will ever be! I have e-mailed them both and asked the rookie Q's to them, But thats what I remember the ratio to be, If you look at my 2010 SELEM show the white looks perfict, so when they e-mail me back and tell me my version of the ratio is wrong or right I'll be shure to post acrdingly and kiss your ASS or tell you to kiss my ASS!
please stop the abusive language! using degrating words to hit home a point is a childs tactic and aidiots attempt at greatness, I am open minded to be wrong and don't mind being wrong thats how I learn not to be wrong.
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Sorry, but any laser expert would tell you that the correct ratio is indeed 4:1:4
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Sorry, but any laser expert would tell you that the correct ratio is indeed 4:1:4
It's a good posability I got it all F'ed up, but I am checking on it, and i'll get back to this debate, Right or wrong.
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@Cyparagon, I owe you a kiss on your butt!
@Grix,

This is the info found in my data base, And I noticed it was for 445nm based RGB. The first projecter I bought from China for my daughter was a 500mw RGV (532nm @ 200 mw, 650nm @ 200mw, and 405nm @ 100mw) The white was not a good white it was a off white "bluish". So I am ready to be schooled!

RGB COLOR MATCHING THE LASERS TO OBTAIN THE BEST WHITE LIGHT OUT PUT
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Some one else recommends a ratio of=5:1.red, 5:5, green, tipical is 0.8 445 to 1.0 532

I have never built a RGV Only a RGB 5w with two lines of blue, 445nm combowed with 473nm and thats the one I use in my shows.
so sorry guys I didn't mean to talk out my butt
So what is the ratio for that RGV listed in this post?

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@Cyparagon,
I seem to be getting conflecting information where ever I search.
I understand that the ratio 4:1:4 for RGV but when I search this I get back replys that this is a week white, and that I need more power in the 405 out put to make it a nice strong white, no ratios given to help my understanding.
This quoted from FLECOM on PL:
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405 is close to the edge of the visible spectrum so you need tons of power "

This quoted by MIXGAS on PL:
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What is the color balance ratio for white light on a RGV system and on a RGB system
RGB RATIO IS:?
RGV RATIO IS:?
I am being told from another forum that C.T laser is wrong for artic white that his ratio is lime green not white and that the only posable ratio is for RGV is 4:1:4

Which white do you want, D65? For ion at 647,514,488, for example, its 5:1.2:3 for a "standard" D65 white per Lexel's Carol Seidel..

You need to run Tocket's Chroma program, and then try it yourself. Much of how the white is perceived depends on:

1. What it is projected on.
2. Photopic or scotopic vision
3 Source wavelengths
4. Adjacent colors in the image.

Its not a easy issue, as no two of us perceive colors exactly the same. You always need to buy more laser for the red and blue/violet channels then you calculate.
]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_illuminant
Steve "

I have also been told that white is all about the person viewing it, perseption of what white is to them and most viewers would not know what pure white even looks like.
So I am confused to what is the real world ratio aplication of white in a RGV system.
Please help me to understand this so in the future, I can answer a question accuretly and know what I am talking about.

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The only way to find the perfect white for you is the view the beam and make fine adjustments in power in person.
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Debate? Is THAT what you think this is? Facts are not debatable. If I said less green with respect to other colors (especially violet) is required to make a good white, no one would disagree with me (especially at PL). If I said line voltage in the US is 120V RMS and 170V peak, no one would disagree with me (especially at PL). Do you know why? Because these are facts.
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