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Perfectly said Things.

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No -- you didn't start anything. That's the nice thing about LPF -- We can all express our opinions in a civil manner. No insults flying here

As with all reviews of a company or specific product --- YMMV !!

Mike

what's YMMV mean?

YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary

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I'm sorry guys, but I see a blind insistence to skew data in favor of DL - without reason in fact. Hemlock Mike, how can you possibly say "Dragon Lasers treated me well with my green lasers and that both of my laser pens meet or exceed published ratings", when you say "I got a near new DL125 from this forum and it outputs 125 peak dropping to about 110.  
AAA cells (e2) can hold for a few seconds then the sag hits.  
"

A Viper 125mW according to DL is a laser that outputs 125mW+ over a 60 second average. If your Viper 125, using the best batteries there are, can only peak in at the 125mW mark, and (again, using the best batts) can only maintain ~110mW, how do you get off saying your laser is in spec?

It is pretty clear to me that your laser is at best 120mW over a 60 second average, and it seems more likely its in the 105-115mW range (this was a pretty accepted range to expect a 60 second average to fall in over a year ago when WL sold CNIs as 125mWs, but for some reason when DL came along we decided to abandon logic).

That is what I call being ripped off. What do you call paying for a laser, advertised as putting out 125mW avg over 60 seconds, that clearly does not? I hate to accuse you or blame you of anything, but it seems to me like you're trying to skew data that obviously incriminates DL, in their favor. Quite frankly, I don't understand why. Its absurd to me.


Why do I complain about DL? Well here's some of my reasoning: http://www.laserpointerforums.com/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1184973705/0#0

Think about it. Novalasers, a company that actually meters their lasers, cannot keep 125mW CNIs in stock. NL, by their relation to Laserglow, has more pull with CNI than DL. Dragonlasers, a company that doesn't give a damn about you (only your money), has never once been out of stock on their 125s, which are cheaper relatively. Its not hard evidence, but its some dang good food for thought if you ask me. Anyone care to explain how DL so prodigiously defies probability?

I've owned many of the 80mW lasers that DL sells as 125mWs. Personally, I've probably tested 30-50 of them. That is the same as buying 30-50 lasers from NL, and the same as buying 30-50 lasers from DL. Its not a huge sample, but its still enough to let me realize DL cannot possibly be selling that many 125s versus 95mW lasers. Again, its not solid evidence, but I daresay I have a decent idea of what I'm talking about.


It just bothers me because you pay a large premium to get a 125mW 60 second average laser, and it seems a pity to see that go to waste when a DL 95 and DL 125 are practically the same laser. At least when you buy NL, you know by the large out-of-stock periods that you're getting the truly special, rare picks from the lot, instead of some random CNI 80mW DL hopes will keep you satisfied.


PS: Even NL 125mWs won't necessarily meet a 125mW 60 second average. With the last order of high power CNIs I got, I ran the lot of data though a program I made (thanks to a tip by SenKat BTW!) and found that Nova's testing method tends to exaggerate their nominal ratings by ~0-2mW over the 60 seconds average. Its not a huge difference, but considering the lasers get exponentially more rare once you pass the 115mW mark, its further reason to approach DL with a "guilty until proven innocent" standpoint.


Okay all, flame me now. I know this forum has always had a like for DL. Afterall that is how it got started in the first place, so I guess I shouldn't be expecting much here. I just find the whole situation disappointing, and after a year of this, I'm tired of trying to be nice about it.

YMMV - that puts it quite well!

My point is not that all DL lasers are underspec. My point is that not all DL lasers can possibly be in-spec (by the very construction of the lasers - not just by occasional mistakes). Therefore, YMMV and if you buy from them, don't be counting on getting what you paid for.

pseudonomen137 said:

YMMV - that puts it quite well!

My point is not that all DL lasers are underspec. My point is that not all DL lasers can possibly be in-spec (by the very construction of the lasers - not just by occasional mistakes). Therefore, YMMV and if you buy from them, don't be counting on getting what you paid for.

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Again perfectly said. (yes i like that sentance) ;D

Pseudo --

OK -- now I understand....  I don't need 95 or 125 mW for over a couple seconds to have my fun showing off the "power of the photon" to the unenlightened !!  
I, along with many enlightened users here, understand the a couple aaa cells can't put out 125 or 150 or 200 mW for more than a couple seconds.  If I wanted that power, I'd build a labby as I'm doing now.  
I never considered the specs to the limits you have because my needs are different than yours.  I can't think of a present use for 125 mW from a pen laser for 60 seconds.  I seldom run mine for more than 5 seconds in public.
This is why I usually report power output as total peak output.

Mike

Ah, well that makes sense Hemlock. Sorry for being so hard about it. I still stand by my point though - their laser may be enough to satisfy you, but your own data shows it does not meet their advertised specs. So I would still like to, at the very least, warn others about the risks of ordering from DL.

Pseudo ---

We agree and go to bed as friends [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Good Night ----

Mike

And if you ARE going to order from DL you would have better chance with gettign a in spec lower powered model because they dont come as rare and are easier to maintain the power. right pseudo.

wow this thread took off abit in the last 2 hours!! i have nothing against DL as i don't own one of their products, but i will follow pseudo's reasons if i do decide to get a good laser

Yeah, I was wondering where everyone was... ;D

The reason that Laserglow has the Vega-5 and Vega-10 is that the Rigel-2 (the same CNI product as DL's yellow laser pointer, using 2 x AAA's) does not produce more than 2mW of yellow light. Believe me, we would love to be able to offer a 2-5mW pointer-style yellow laser, but you can't get it from CNI or any other vendor that I have ever seen. The Vega-5 is rated for 2-5mW, and the Vega-10 is rated for 5-10mW.

Until I see an independant review of a 2-5mW yellow pointer I will remain quite skeptical alongside Pseudo. Trust me, if CNI was sellling this thing we would have it already.

5-10mw of yellow would be nice ;D hey justin, what is that in your avatar?it looks interesting?

I happen to have a used Vega 10 I could sell BTW