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Old 05-19-2008, 03:02 PM #17
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Despite any ecological problems, you should be more concerned for your own safety. Mercury is certainly bad news for people without adequate safety measures for handling (I'm talking respirators approved for mercury vapor and googles, gloves etc).

It's toxic and can cause brain damage from vapors as well as organ damage.


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Haha, oh I used to be such a pyro in high school... can't tell you the amount of craters I made in my back yard. I was really lucky though in that the most injury I ever had was a few small 2nd degree burns (the blistery kind). Others may not be so lucky.... so be careful, please.
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I would be more concerned about the BaNO3 or dichromate salt, it takes only a gram or two of barium nitrate to kill and chromium salts are carcinogenic by nature. Mercury is rather inert compared, its no easy task to poison yourself with mercury seeing as its insoluble in water and is very dense.

As for the environment, you would do more damage with a few liters of sulphuric acid.
No. You are very wrong on multiple levels.

First, it isn't the liquid metal that damages you in mercury, it's the fact that it very easily vaporizes and you breathe it in. Very dangerous, and you will get poisoned with prolonged exposure.

Secondly, sulfuric acid will get diluted out and become harmless. Acids rely on concentration. It might do a bit of damage, but not for long. Mercury on the other hand can be dangerous even in small concentrations. AND because it is a heavy metal, it will stay in the environment virtually forever, where as the other stuff will eventually react out.

Animals dies of mercury poisoning, predator comes and eats it. Predator gets mercury poisoning, dies. Carcass washes into lake, lake is poisoned. Animals drink from lake, etc. Animals could be dieing 100 years later from mercury poisoning.


You don't know what you're talking about, mercury is far more dangerous than any of those things you listed. Maybe not to you immediately, but I'm talking about environmental affects.

You should ALWAYS respect how you dispose of chemicals! Chemicals can be very dangerous to you, other people and the environment if not disposed of properly! It sickens me that amateurs have such potent chemicals available to them, and have no idea about proper disposal or hazard control.
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As for the environment, you would do more damage with a few liters of sulphuric acid.
Not necessarily. Shure it is some nasty stuff at high concentrations but I saw a documentary about caves and there is an eco system that thrives in high levels of sulphuric acid. As for the mercury, well if you eat either a lot of fish all the time (or fish that have lived a long time) you may get mercury poisoning. But that much mercury is definitely a hazard for some young kids on this forum that may think hey cool liquid metal. I have heard so many stories about mercury thermometers breaking and casing minor damage. Just think what could happen with that muchif left to evaporate. Ahhh heavy metal poisoning will make a mad hatter out of you.

But then again, adults can be very stupid too, my piano teacher recently had a baby and the baby was getting sick and they did not know why so they took it to the doctors and they found out that the baby had lead poisoning. And why? They had a beautiful stained glass ornament that the baby liked to suck on and they let the baby suck on it. (the stuff they used to solder glass pices together with was lead based in case you did not know)
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I need some HNO3 and some H2SO4.

ya got any of that up yer sleve?
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ya got any of that up yer sleve?
Sorry, I don't have any of that stuff.

And Murudai, I removed the mercury, you are right about it being a hazard.

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Some of these things here aren't too bad...

But in my opinion, dangerous chemicals should only be bought direct off the supplier. That way, they will screen you out if they know you can't handle it right. It's only for your safety. They will also provide you with all the safety and disposal measures you need to take to do it right.

Dangerous chemicals are just one thing I don't think should be freely available. With lasers you can see the beam, you can see where it does damage and you can protect yourself with goggles.

With chemicals, it isn't as obvious if something is dangerous or not. Two perfectly safe looking chemicals could react to form a very toxic mixture if you don't know what you are doing. You think you can lose your sight doing lasers? Well how about having a beaker explode in your face? It happens. A few glass shards in your eyes and you can kiss your eyesight goodbye for good. Chemists wear safety glasses and lab coats for a very good reason.

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damn noone sells HNO3 where I live...

that, and the fact that I am from Iran and I am Muslim scares some retarded propaganda infested Americans into not wanting to sell shit to me, especially HNO3... Even my Chemistry Teacher hates me now :-/
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damn noone sells HNO3 where I live...

that, and the fact that I am from Iran and I am Muslim scares some retarded propaganda infested Americans into not wanting to sell shit to me, especially HNO3... Even my Chemistry Teacher hates me now :-/
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[quote author=amkdeath link=1211166554/15#23 date=1211252205]damn noone sells HNO3 where I live...

that, and the fact that I am from Iran and I am Muslim scares some retarded propaganda infested Americans into not wanting to sell shit to me, especially HNO3... Even my Chemistry Teacher hates me now :-/
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that, and the fact that I am from Iran and I am Muslim scares some retarded propaganda infested Americans into not wanting to sell shit to me, especially HNO3... Even my Chemistry Teacher hates me now :-/
Unfortunately 9/11 had a huge impact on how Americans view Muslims, but it's pretty much human nature. Heck if an American had bombed something in Iran I doubt Iranians would look to kindly on Americans for a while. It's just the sort of blame game that goes along with a large disaster.
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[quote author=amkdeath link=1211166554/15#23 date=1211252205]damn noone sells HNO3 where I live...

that, and the fact that I am from Iran and I am Muslim scares some retarded propaganda infested Americans into not wanting to sell shit to me, especially HNO3... Even my Chemistry Teacher hates me now :-/
Unfortunately 9/11 had a huge impact on how Americans view Muslims, but it's pretty much human nature. Heck if an American had bombed something in Iran I doubt Iranians would look to kindly on Americans for a while. It's just the sort of blame game that goes along with a large disaster.[/quote]

except you cannot blame the muslims for 9/11. it was al-quieda, who are extreemists, and that is not islam.

THe Qu'raan clearly states:

1) Do not attack unless you are being attacked upon
2) Suicide is a sin, and anyone who commits suicide goes straight to the burning pits of HELL

AL-Quieda does not follow any of this, or anything else in the Qu'raan...

The Qu'raan states:

1) he who does not follow the Qu'raan is a dis-believer and not a muslim

hence, al-quieda does NOT equal Muslim


this is a common American mis-conception, and is a result of LOTS of propaganda and censorship.
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too bad most people don't care to get into the specifics, and instantly think everyone with a turban on their head is a terrorist, but such is the way in most cases
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It sickens me that amateurs have such potent chemicals available to them, and have no idea about proper disposal or hazard control.

Says the person with a laser which can permanently blind someone *:

Its a bid sad that you feel that way, guess you would rather have them 'restricted' for the greater good. Last time I heard that they took our guns away from us and we all know how useless that was. And to be honest there is not much available here anyway, anything interesting has to be made at home

Mercury aside, what 'potent' chemicals are we talking about anyway? And why should you be concerned? I guess you wouldn't approve of my extensive collection (lots of nasty things, my favorite would be the 500ml of 70% HF) seeing as I don't have a degree in chemistry.

BTW, everything I have is properly labeled and stored and I am well aware of whats required if I need to dispose of them.

To the people wanting strong acids, pick up the yellow pages and phone some industrial cleaning supply places.

If we can trust John Doe to drive his 2 ton car around then surely he can be trusted to own some chemicals without trying to wrap him in cotton wool.
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911 was done by dispicable powerfull men as a excuse to start a war and invade privacy for our own good. Conspiracy, remember Kennedy was shot....

It's impossible for giant buidings to just disinigrate into powder....... Think and about it...
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Originally Posted by Murudai
With lasers you can see the beam, you can see where it does damage and you can protect yourself with goggles.

With chemicals, it isn't as obvious if something is dangerous or not. Two perfectly safe looking chemicals could react to form a very toxic mixture if you don't know what you are doing.
I have no problem with people who know what they are doing having chemicals, that's perfectly fine. But people who don't know what they are doing can get into a lot more trouble than with lasers (barring idiots who are intending harm).

Lasers don't give off toxic, carcinogenic fumes. Lasers can't spontaneously explode in an exothermic reaction. With lasers, it is far easier to know what you are doing, as dangerous as it may be.

If you believe it is every kids right to have a beaker of conc. hydrochloric acid on their desk, then so be it. But I don't


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