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You obviously didn't read my first post well did you? I clearly stated that Paypal is not available in my country so I cant use that.

If it would make you feel better to send all the money to Jack instead that is fine with me. I will just have to lose some cash for the transfer fees.
I read your OP very well thank you, It's you who isn't reading posts..

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I read your OP very well thank you, It's you who isn't reading posts..

I didn't say PayPal you, I said PayPal Middleman?
That's not possible on so many levels.
1. Paypal does not allow transactions for laser pointers over 5mw.
2. Back in 2008, after I had gotten my own credit card merchant account and was no longer even using PP for laser sales, but kept 3k in the account for my business purchases as they gave 1.5% cash back, they illegally locked the account for 180 days with 3k of my money in it without any due process of law (something a real bank cannot do). Since then, no paypal.

I have a merchant account and can accept credit cards for sales, this is not something I would for an item where I'm selling it for someone else and they would get the funds. The reason being all credit card sales are reported to the IRS on form 1099k and it would show as income that tax needs to be paid on and it gets complicated.

I've been in business for 8 years, a long time in this industry where sellers come and go every 6 months. I also invite any search of this forum or the internet in general when an optotronics customer did not get their item. I agree that post count or rep points mean nothing here, they won't even buy you a cup of coffee, but business reputation is everything and you don't stay in business this long by ripping people off....whoops I guess you do as WL is still around.

I'm too busy running a business to be here every day or even every month posting like I did in the beginning of LPF, so my post count hasn't changed much in the past few years, but I was one of the 1st members here...well maybe one of the 1st 100 anyway.
So if anyone is afraid they won't get this RPL if they send payment to Dimitri, well if you have the money for a good used RPL and do your research you'll find I've always shipped what I said I would and very quickly.

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I read your OP very well thank you, It's you who isn't reading posts..

I didn't say PayPal you, I said PayPal Middleman?
"PayPal? , Middleman?" and "PayPal Middleman?" are interpreted differently.

I think Jack has answered your question pretty well.
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^^ Nobody is saying otherwise.

Its the WU thing , its used the world over by scammers, as well as legitimate users.

The 1st sentence in post #10 echoes the view of 99% of members here.

People generally use a middleman (or PayPal) for high value items thats all I'm saying.
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You guys are misreading each other's posts completely...

1. Jack will send out the laser once he has proof of payment to Dimitry, and payment for shipping. Even if Dimitry dissapears after that, it doesn't really matter. He is not in possession of the laser Jack is, and I don't think anyone is questioning his credibility.

2. Ped was just saying Dimitri can use a middle man in order to accept payment. (Whether through paypal or some other method.)

3. Jack will only accept credit card, or MO as payment.

That's all.

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You guys are misreading each other's posts completely...

1. Jack will send out the laser once he has proof of payment to Dimitry, and payment for shipping. Even if Dimitry dissapears after that, it doesn't really matter. He is not in possession of the laser Jack is, and I don't think anyone is questioning his credibility.

2. Ped was just saying Dimitri can use a middle man in order to accept payment. (Whether through paypal or some other method.)

3. Jack will only accept credit card, or MO as payment.

That's all.
Thanks for summarizing it nicely. I thought I made that clear really.
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You guys are misreading each other's posts completely...

1. Jack will send out the laser once he has proof of payment to Dimitry, and payment for shipping. Even if Dimitry dissapears after that, it doesn't really matter. He is not in possession of the laser Jack is, and I don't think anyone is questioning his credibility.

2. Ped was just saying Dimitri can use a middle man in order to accept payment. (Whether through paypal or some other method.)

3. Jack will only accept credit card, or MO as payment.

That's all.
Yes, thanks for clarifying this if anyone doesn't understand. They do not need to trust the seller at all because he doesn't have it, I do. (unless he makes some deal that includes the beam expander which Dimitri has).

As far as middleman, if the buyer were to use a 3rd party middleman with paypal, that middleman would still need a way to get the funds to Dimitri as PP is not available in his country and both parties would need to trust the middleman.

3. Shipping will need to be paid to me directly as I have to ship it and payment will need to be mailed to me in the form of a USPS money order made out to me personally.
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If there is a problem with the laser, or it gets seized...who foot's the bill for that?

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If there is a problem with the laser, or it gets seized...who foot's the bill for that?

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The laser's warranty is not transferable to any other owner as mentioned on the website but in case it stops working when you've owned it, Jack will surely have it fixed at a reasonable price.

I don't know what you mean by if it gets seized. The laser isn't Illegal in the States according to my knowledge so you shouldn't have any problems getting it delivered in one piece. There's always insurance for broken or lost items.
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I'm noticing the ($/mw) is high compared to other alternatives. What increase in quality does this laser have to justify the cost?
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If you read about Optotronics lasers on these forums you will understand why they cost so much.

I know you might get better bang for buck with other companies, but if money is no issue and quality and performance is your only concern then there is no denying that this is the best handheld green laser money can buy.

The beautifully machined host, high quality IR diode encased in copper, long duty cycle, tight beam specs, adjustable power etc... all add up to justify the cost of this beast.

This is a 1300$ laser that I had to wait for weeks to be built and tested, so my asking price is fair considering this is almost brand new.
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Is this a 500mw model or it meters at 500mw? I can't even find a 500mw model on Optotronics' website.
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Just taking a wild guess, I the sale is probably limited to US, CONUS only, so customs is not an issue.

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I'm noticing the ($/mw) is high compared to other alternatives. What increase in quality does this laser have to justify the cost?
Optotronics lasers use Viasho modules, that are then re-tested, in the same way as Laserglow uses CNI. It would be fair to compare this laser against basically laserglow lasers.

That said... where is the data... beam diameter, divergence, long LPM run, or a few?

Edit: the pictures are kind of hard to read, hint, hint

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Default Re: FS: Optotronics RPL-500 Green Laser 800$

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That said... where is the data... beam diameter, divergence, long LPM run, or a few?

Edit: the pictures are kind of hard to read, hint, hint
I will upload high resolution photos to make the graphs and data clearer.
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Is this a 500mw model or it meters at 500mw? I can't even find a 500mw model on Optotronics' website.
If you read the attached pictures, you will notice that the laser has an average output of 586 mW, a minimum output of 496 mW and a peak of 744 mW.

There isn't a 500 mW model on the website because like I said, this is a rare beast cherry picked to my specifications. Most RPL's average far lower than mine.
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