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Old 03-28-2012, 11:46 PM #65
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A. Is that considered fair, or would that be just as frowned upon or moreso than selling them openly.

B. How do you sell via PM? How does anyone know you are selling it? Etc?
If you ask for their permission to sell something privately via PM, and they give you their thumbs-up, then why wouldn't it be fair??

More to the point -

I am almost certain that if you had originally approached this by contacting the other member to explain the situation and ask for their permission to privately sell it (under the understanding that you had made an error in not realizing that they were selling the host themselves, and that you weren't planning to sell more of them afterward) you would have received a warm response.

I know this, because this kind of open courteous interaction does happen, and slack is cut.

But it probably won't happen to you, if you take the approach of saying things like:
"I have this host I wanna sell and you say it is one of your signature hosts, but dude you have like an unlimited number of signature hosts and I disagree. I still like and respect you buddy but I'm going to go against you on this one."

Nobody is going to warm to that. Nobody is going to show sympathy / cut slack, if you're not respecting courtesy yourself up front.


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I just read all the post since my last post...

I feel some of you have got the idea.

1) if a seller is selling a unique "signature" or other Laser
as a regularly available item then I see no problem building
one (1) copy for your own use and even selling it at a
point in time.

2) if a seller is selling a unique "signature" or other Laser
as a regularly available item then I would see a problem
copying that build for sale as another regular available
item.
Since tsteele93 stated that he want to do it for fun..
I can't see any fun for the original builder/seller to have
his unique "signature" or other Laser design being copied
and sold at cost by the 2nd seller. There is no respect
there.... business wise or Forum wise.

2) If a seller only sells one unique "signature" or other
Laser and intends to never sell another then I can't
see a problem of selling a similar regular item (one or
more) since the original one is not being reproduced by
the original builder.
( I would still ask for an OK from the 1st builder)

I see no problem of any member here building a one off
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I would have a problem with a member that blatantly
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This is Gone to far and now he is trying to Make me look like like a bad person and i dont like it one bit with his little smart comment remarks.

Its taking me much longer to post response due to my chest pains so bare with me.

Iam Just going to lay it all out on the table. AS it appears that he thinks iam the only one that feels this Way. Iam done with all the side stepping and he thinks Iam the Only one that fallows this rule because the other 2 sellers that posted and some of the members was NOT as Clear with saying they fallow this Respect thing or agree with how things are now or you just dont want to hear it.

The host in Question is this:

My Sale Thread:
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PLEASE NOTE JUST BECAUSE A BUILD IS SOLD DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT CONTINUE TO SELL. In fact i sold one last night. IF you are a respected meember and want proof i will gladly show it to you.

Iam 99% sure he new prior to ordering the host that i did the stainless build and the big black ones. I Promise you if i can find his post i will post it. But i cant remember where i seen it at the momment.

He also said it was stuck in customs . SHow Us. I think your Lieing again.

For the Longest time This was Never a Problem because We all respected each other. I never sold a Single Host that RHD has sold on the open forum and or he has never sold on the open forum a host that I have sold. With Jay I also Have never sold any of his Kits or heatsinks that he sells Same as Jeff and they have never sold anything i have. I can Also Add Wolf to this as He is also great and Respect this Now too.
There is Exception though.

We as a Group all Agree to this with some Exceptions.

Also They have sent many people my way that has asked them for something i make for them to do. They all refused and sent them to me fallowed by a PM from them showing me what they did.. That is the up most respect you can do. I do the same for all of them as well when some contact me for a C3 heatsink i send the over to Jay even though i can ,make the heatsink myself i still send them back over to Jay out of courtesy and respect. etc etc. Its the way WE all Agree on it should be done and Has been done since the beginning.


For the 100th time I am NOT the Only One that Feels this Way. Get that out of your Head. If you cant Read between the lines^^^^^ and only read the Sugar coated stuff then i dont know what to tell you. Some People might not come out and Flat out say it. However They feel the same way i do and if you attempted to do the same thing to them they would be on the same page as me.

Speak up guys. Really. I feel he thinks iam the only one among us sellers that feel this way. Maybe its not clear enough for him and he is just targeting me.

We have all gotten along for this. Only recent have i been slammed by new Members that want to build in host that i sell and still sell to this day. In fact I just Sold One of these Last Night. "If you are a respected Member I will show you the proof" If you need it.

Iam tired of New Members like you that think they can come here and change the way things have been running smoothly. They want to change things that have been in place since the forum Started. LONG BEFORE i was here. When I started to sell it was the first thing that was ASKED not TOLD if i can do. I Understand fully where they where coming from and from that point on i did my own thing. This is what makes everyone Unique and have there own style.



You have been here for 3 months and already want to sell and go against this unwritten rule among sellers.

You have been here for 3 months and are already at 861 post and 9 posts a day. This is Quit alot for 3 months.

You have opened 70 threads that is More then Half of the amount that i have opened and have been here for more then 1 1/2 year to say the least.

Iam not even going to describe the type of threads most of them you opened.

Where do you come off on this. Seriously Guy. You got some nerve to remotely even think your not being any way disrespectful to me and all the little smart ass comments you want to make in this thread toward me like i dint read them Not to mention others have read it to with Private emails and messages to me telling me there disgusted with you.

Ive never had to explain and explain and explain how this works so many times before. This is going on the 3rd time in 1 month and even another member that can speak up if they want to has also gone through the same stuff that i have been in the past month . Further more and further back it was even worse done to other respected sellers.

You have been running around this forum like you run the place. Iam not the only one that thinks this. You would be surprised how many more have said this but will not call anyone out. Your Talking like you know more then any other person on this forum. Your trying to change something that 5-6 sellers agree on and has never been a problem.

You have been here for 3 months Most sellers dont even think about selling until ~ 1 year and Posted several upon several build thread to prove they have the ability to sell lasers on this forum You have not even finished the one in your DIY thread and your open a thread like this in question to sell lasers in it.? Your getting a head of yourself.

I still show you the respect even with the Disagreement we had a little wail back that i think your holding to me. I Know this is part of the reason.!

I was even the one that contact you to make up as I dont like to be on bad terms with anyone and YOU where the first one i ever had problem like this with.Hmmmmm.

SO Now this. I see a pattern.

I WILL MAKE IT CLEAR IAM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT GOES BY THIS RESPECT AMONG SELLERS. Wake Up and stop reading what you want to read. You have only quoted stuff that is agreeing to some extent with you however you Miss the stuff that is important that they say that agrees with me.

You think iam Purposely doing this to you however try this with an of the sellers that posted in this thread and see how fast you get the same response. I guess your logic you will have alot of the sellers hating you with your own words.

You might not get such a straight forward Response because they are so sick and tired of it they dont bother anymore however since iam not at that point yet i still respond.



It has nothing to do with:

Money, Owning the right or Competing. Get that out of your Head. We have all repeated what its about yet you dont want to listen. There is NO Hope.

I could care less if you sold a laser cheaper then me. Really people by my stuff because they know what they are getting and the support i give. You dont scare me or even threaten me i just want the respect that i have fallowed to other sellers and since you are a New Sellers and want to sell. These Rules we have for each other are not going to change because a New member come along and doesn't agree with it.

You can choose not to fallow this Respect among sellers no one is stopping you however we are trying to guide you yet you fail to see that and think I am out to get you since you think iam the only one that feels this way.

Again Other sellers Please speak up to make it Very Clear for this Guy .



We always welcome new Sellers we need more sellers However most of the time those sellers are doing there own thing not what has been done by someone else and is still being done by someone else today and becomes very Respectable. You will not get good attention with your attitude on this forum.

I have proven my respect to the other sellers and they have proven it back to me. Even to members I have have proven respect to as they show me.

Iam probably one of the nicest guys on the forum. Ask anyone Ive dealt with. Ive Given away so much free stuff i have spent Hours upon hours helping New members Put builds together I have shard Discounts on Items I have ran Groupbuys I have posted Tutorials i have posted Reviews and the list goes on.

You are the Only one that feels Negative toward me. I wonder why. The whole forum is Very Nice to me and 1 person that seems to give me a hard time. Hmmm who seems to be the problem here.

Most would conceder this into the thought and give me the Respect that i deserve. As well as Other sellers we are talking about here Jay,rhd,Jeff,Wolf they have all proven they deserve the respect of where they are at.

We all Respect each other stuff and Now you come along and of course it has to be me that you want to do a Host that Ive sold and iam Continuing to sell now. If I can Avoid it if they can avoid it in fact Most of the builder on this forum avoid each other builds can avoid it i think your the one that is different and want to start trouble and the problem is you not the Respect among sellers we fallow.


It would not be the first time you wanted to start trouble with me .

I Have Brought so Much to this forum and its people like you that makes people like us not even want to post stuff or even take breaks from the forum.

Your making yourself look like the bad one not make me look bad. People know who i am and what kind of person i aim.I have never even had a Neg rep on this forum other then KipKay that gave me one.

SO it appears to me you are the one that is wanting to start drama and not respect this Sellers Unwritten rule. I beat you if it was someone else you would have fallowed it. Yet because it me and what happened in the past is why you open such a thread.

You have clearly heard or ,maybe dont want to hear it from each seller in this thread that we respect each other stuff Yet you still only point the finger at me and only quote 1 person that is also agrees with this rule yes also Agrees with some other things that i also agree with yet you are getting the 2 confused..


You fail to see that iam not the only one that goes by this. This is what you dont want to listen too.




Whatever. I think most will read this and see what i mean.

You will fail to make me look like the bad guy. I Promise you this. I have to many supporters for you to even damage anything. It sad to even think this but i think this your goal. You will fail.

Do whatever you want to do. I can tell you that none of the sellers here will respect you after you do something like this. So its on you.

I told you how i feel and How other sellers feel. They have even said it. You only listen to what you want to here and its clear with the amount of people you skipped quote over.

Iam Still going to continue and respect those sellers that respect me and be a Respected seller of this forum and a Great member Like i always have before you came along.

Iam not going to let some 3 month New Member get to me. You will be long gone if you continue.

I can tell you that those sellers you think are you friend now will look away at you for doing this and possible not even sell to you again. Try it if you want to call my bluff.

Iam Done Here This has taken me 4 hours to post due to my chest.


Oh and for your last quote Tsleele to IE.

Hey IE I did not say that there was Unlimited Signatures and thats it in the PM. He is Making that up to make me look bad.

I said that there is Unlimited signature but the older ones that someone does falls off. I even said that in this Post:
Selling etiquette and "host ownership"

This Guy is seriously NOW starting to lie and Make stuff up and Put words in my mouth then twisting them. If I dint have the chest pains right now i would go back and correct every Lie that he has twisted in this thread that i have said.

We Dont Like people that lie and twist other peoples words around here.


What I do want to say is a Big THANK YOU to those that Respect this. It is Greatly Appreciated From Me.
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I see no problem of any member here building a one off or a production Laser for himself.

I would have a problem with a member that blatantly wants to compete with an established selling member unless his similar build was an obvious improvement...
That's the distinction I would make too. I don't consider these pre-made hosts from China used in "signature builds" akin to trade secrets or patents, where someone has exclusive access to it. Having short-term exclusive access to an idea is the purpose of patents, but in this context, I don't know if it is really valid. In Jayrob's case, what was ripped off was the heatsink Jayrob developed, not the host, and the goal was to undercut Jayrob's business with a direct rip-off.

I also don't like the idea that people have "monopolies" on specific hosts or designs. Competition fosters innovation and better prices in the long run. I think we'd all be seeking out alternatives--LPF courtesy or not--if the prices were too high for a specific product. Imagine if we allowed only certain individuals to sell 445nm diodes at high prices because they "discovered" it first. Do we sit back and let Wicked Lasers have exclusive access to the "Arctic" host?

In the same line of thought, competition is good for "signature builds." It keeps prices low, and makes people want to do more with the builds. Plus, if the build is actually "signature" it needs to do more than just utilize some host from China. If you're just putting a basic pill into a host it's not really that "signature" is it?

So my thought is this: unless you're blatantly ripping off someone's build to undercut business, it's open season. I think we'll all be better for it.
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Maybe you can just sell the hosts to lazeerer??

I once bought 10 cool little AAA stainless hosts to make a new kit thread...

I was bummed when I saw that wannaburn already had the host that he sells builds for...

I contacted him, and asked if it was ok to just do the 10 kits - or could I sell him the hosts for what I paid plus shipping.

He took to offer to sell him the hosts...
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@lazeerer I'm not gonna quote your whole post. Nobody thinks you are a bad guy, nobody thinks less of you after this thread, don't be worried about it honestly. I know my opinion of you has changed in no way shape or form. I could (but obviously won't)show pm's you sent me yesterday showing you are one of the nicest people on this forum and that I have nothing but kind words to say about you and how you treat folk.

Your a good guy Angelos and a major asset to the forum. Let this thread die out and don't worry bout it anymore.
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Maybe you can just sell the hosts to lazeerer??

I once bought 10 cool little AAA stainless hosts to make a new kit thread...

I was bummed when I saw that wannaburn already had the host that he sells builds for...

I contacted him, and asked if it was ok to just do the 10 kits - or could I sell him the hosts for what I paid plus shipping.

He took to offer to sell him the hosts...
Honestly Jay If its the Money Ill give him the Money. I dont even want the host from Him. He can keep the Money and the Host.

Its More to that and appears this member has taken it further .

I have eaten over 1 thousand dollars in host. So its far from that. Its Just an Excuse for him.

These are Nearly 100$ hosts we are talking here not 20$ host.

These Are Pretty Much Custom Hosts If you ask me. Up until i started to post them no one posted anything from this Site Except 1 other member that i will not mention but iam sure you know who iam speaking of.

We both shopped at this store and never crossed paths. EVER.!

So again its more to that. I dont think its the money.


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@lazeerer I'm not gonna quote your whole post. Nobody thinks you are a bad guy, nobody thinks less of you after this thread, don't be worried about it honestly. I know my opinion of you has changed in no way shape or form. I could (but obviously won't)show pm's you sent me yesterday showing you are one of the nicest people on this forum and that I have nothing but kind words to say about you and how you treat folk.

Your a good guy Angelos and a major asset to the forum. Let this thread die out and don't worry bout it anymore.
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Maybe you can just sell the hosts to lazeerer??

I once bought 10 cool little AAA stainless hosts to make a new kit thread...

I was bummed when I saw that wannaburn already had the host that he sells builds for...

I contacted him, and asked if it was ok to just do the 10 kits - or could I sell him the hosts for what I paid plus shipping.

He took to offer to sell him the hosts...
I agree. Worse case: you have the option of selling the hosts to Lazeerer! So no biggie dude. Now no more crying and let's get on with our lives.

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This is Gone to far and now he is trying to Make me look like like a bad person and i dont like it one bit with his little smart comment remarks.
I am not trying to make you look like a bad person. I am arguing a viewpoint.

I disagree that someone should be able to claim an astronomical number of hosts as signature hosts.

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Iam 99% sure he new prior to ordering the host that i did the stainless build and the big black ones. I Promise you if i can find his post i will post it. But i cant remember where i seen it at the momment.
Now you are accusing me of lying. I have not lied. We are talking about TWO HOSTS. If I was going to try and copy your line of lasers why would it be two hosts.

As I said in my initial post to you on March 22 which you did not respond to until today when you saw this thread, I bought two of the black hosts and one of the stainless that turned out to be something you are selling.

I explained that I was going to build the stainless as a personal build, but that I had planned on selling ONE of the black ones.

I wanted to sell ONE host that was the same as yours because I had already bought it. I will provide the PM to anyone who would like to see it.

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For the Longest time This was Never a Problem because We all respected each other. I never sold a Single Host that RHD has sold on the open forum and or he has never sold on the open forum a host that I have sold. With Jay I also Have never sold any of his Kits or heatsinks that he sells Same as Jeff and they have never sold anything i have. I can Also Add Wolf to this as He is also great and Respect this Now too.
What you call respect, I call protectionism. I absolutely agree it would be wrong of me to stalk your builds, or copy your designs. But my buying a couple of hosts that you happen to build and wanting to sell ONE of them is hardly an issue of respect. It is an issue of control.


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Iam tired of New Members like you that think they can come here and change the way things have been running smoothly. They want to change things that have been in place since the forum Started. LONG BEFORE i was here. When I started to sell it was the first thing that was ASKED not TOLD if i can do. I Understand fully where they where coming from and from that point on i did my own thing. This is what makes everyone Unique and have there own style.
Angelos, I asked you if I could sell ONE of "your" hosts. PLEASE re-read my initial PM and see what I said. Heck, here - I will quote my PM here - tell anyone if I am not posting it exactly.

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Apparently I bought some hosts from the same place that you did and I ended up with two of the fat boys or big boys or whatever you were calling them.

I had planned to use one for a laser for myself and another to sell, but I don't want to trespass on your turf. I don't know what the standard etiquette is on this issue.

I can eat the host and use it as a flashlight if you think that I should not build it and sell it here. I don't want you thinking that I am trying to cause you problems.

Also, in this thread, New build in progress I am building another of your recently offered hosts. I figure it was pretty easy for this to happen since those were both available as HOST kits without the flashlight innards ao they made good laser hosts to buy. I don't intend to sell that laser, it is for my personal use.

In short, I just wanted to ask you what you consider fair when it comes to selling here and what to do if we end up with some of the same hosts. I hadn't seen either of your builds before I had ordered my hosts, so I did not go out to try and find your hosts and copy them - I just ended up finding the same place and buying the same hosts.

Please Let me know what your position is on the matter as I do not want to cause friction between us.

Sincerely,

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You have been here for 3 months and are already at 861 post and 9 posts a day. This is Quit alot for 3 months.

You have opened 70 threads that is More then Half of the amount that i have opened and have been here for more then 1 1/2 year to say the least.
Is there something wrong with that?

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You have been running around this forum like you run the place. Iam not the only one that thinks this. You would be surprised how many more have said this but will not call anyone out. Your Talking like you know more then any other person on this forum. Your trying to change something that 5-6 sellers agree on and has never been a problem.

You have been here for 3 months Most sellers dont even think about selling until ~ 1 year and Posted several upon several build thread to prove they have the ability to sell lasers on this forum You have not even finished the one in your DIY thread and your open a thread like this in question to sell lasers in it.? Your getting a head of yourself.
LOL, I have a degree in Engineering Physics with a minor in mathematics and I have to wait a year to sell a laser because you say so? What is necessary for one person isn't the way everyone has to do it.

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I could care less if you sold a laser cheaper then me. Really people by my stuff because they know what they are getting and the support i give. You dont scare me or even threaten me i just want the respect that i have fallowed to other sellers and since you are a New Sellers and want to sell. These Rules we have for each other are not going to change because a New member come along and doesn't agree with it.
I asked to sell ONE laser in a host that you have sold before.

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You can choose not to fallow this Respect among sellers no one is stopping you however we are trying to guide you yet you fail to see that and think I am out to get you since you think iam the only one that feels this way.
You have made it very clear for me. I will sell whatever I want to whomever I want unless I am told by the admins that it is not allowed. Obviously you and I are not going to agree, so why even try?

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Iam probably one of the nicest guys on the forum.
If you don't say so yourself? LOL.

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Ask anyone Ive dealt with. Ive Given away so much free stuff i have spent Hours upon hours helping New members Put builds together I have shard Discounts on Items I have ran Groupbuys I have posted Tutorials i have posted Reviews and the list goes on.
I'm not going to blow my own horn on nice things that I have done on the forum. I don't need to do that.

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You are the Only one that feels Negative toward me. I wonder why.

Most would conceder this into the thought and give me the Respect that i deserve.
I think you just answered your own question.

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I Have Brought so Much to this forum and its people like you that makes people like us not even want to post stuff or even take breaks from the forum.
You are going to take your ball and go home, huh?

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You will fail to make me look like the bad guy. I Promise you this. I have to many supporters for you to even damage anything. It sad to even think this but i think this your goal. You will fail.
I don't want to make you look like a bad guy. I asked you politely about the hosts on March 22nd. You didn't respond and I posted this question several days later out of curiosity and because the question came up in another thread.

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Oh and for your last quote Tsleele to IE.

Hey IE I did not say that there was Unlimited Signatures and thats it in the PM. He is Making that up to make me look bad.

I said that there is Unlimited signature but the older ones that someone does falls off. I even said that in this Post:
Selling etiquette and "host ownership"
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This Guy is seriously NOW starting to lie and Make stuff up and Put words in my mouth then twisting them. If I dint have the chest pains right now i would go back and correct every Lie that he has twisted in this thread that i have said.

We Dont Like people that lie and twist other peoples words around here.
You are calling me a liar and you want my respect?
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Honestly Jay If its the Money Ill give him the Money. I dont even want the host from Him. He can keep the Money and the Host.

Its More to that and appears this member has taken it further .

I have eaten over 1 thousand dollars in host. So its far from that. Its Just an Excuse for him.

These are Nearly 100$ hosts we are talking here not 20$ host.
They are not $100 hosts!

Big Black Host Kit - $35

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I am not trying to make you look like a bad person. I am arguing a viewpoint.

I disagree that someone should be able to claim an astronomical number of hosts as signature hosts.
WHO is Claiming anything. Every freaking builder is Here. WAKE THE HELL UP. its not just me.



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Now you are accusing me of lying. I have not lied. We are talking about TWO HOSTS. If I was going to try and copy your line of lasers why would it be two hosts.
YES I Aim. It was a Post prior to that That iam trying to find.

Iam still waiting for you to prove it was stuck in Customs.???????

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As I said in my initial post to you on March 22 which you did not respond to until today when you saw this thread, I bought two of the black hosts and one of the stainless that turned out to be something you are selling.
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IT is not this Post it is prior to this that iam looking for and i think its one of the ones that we deleted.!

I explained that I was going to build the stainless as a personal build, but that I had planned on selling ONE of the black ones.


I wanted to sell ONE host that was the same as yours because I had already bought it. I will provide the PM to anyone who would like to see it.
NO you wanted to sell both the stainless and the black. You just lied again. You even have a Link in the OP to the stainless.!


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What you call respect, I call protectionism. I absolutely agree it would be wrong of me to stalk your builds, or copy your designs. But my buying a couple of hosts that you happen to build and wanting to sell ONE of them is hardly an issue of respect. It is an issue of control.


There is Exception though.
SO I guess ME, Jay Jeff are all control freak as your words say.

DUde you seriously need to get lost.




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LOL, I have a degree in Engineering Physics with a minor in mathematics and I have to wait a year to sell a laser because you say so? What is necessary for one person isn't the way everyone has to do it.
WHO Cares if you have a degree. I have a Degree too and going for my Masters what is YOUR POINT.!

I also Served 6 years In the Army with 1 tour over in Iraq 18 mounths.

Whats your Point. I dont even believe you as you cant even figure Out a Basic driver concept. Engineer. OK.

You have not proven anything to make you a Quality sellers Yet.

I guess you are also insulting RHD since he also waited ~1 year too and has posted Builds upon build like i said to you. Your just shooting your self here.





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You have made it very clear for me. I will sell whatever I want to whomever I want unless I am told by the admins that it is not allowed. Obviously you and I are not going to agree, so why even try?
Go ahead . I never restricted you.

We can all tell the type of person you really are now from that comment.

Nice work Guy.

You do it and be hated. I dont care. Its Bad for you not me.



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If you don't say so yourself? LOL.
Nope i dont but about 7 PMs in my PM box says i do. I could post them but i would not do that to those people.

Not to mention all the supports in here. Even your Good friend Even you read between the Lines.!



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I'm not going to blow my own horn on nice things that I have done on the forum. I don't need to do that.
PLease share. Iam dieing to here.






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I don't want to make you look like a bad guy. I asked you politely about the hosts on March 22nd. You didn't respond and I posted this question several days later out of curiosity and because the question came up in another thread.
You will never make me look like a Bad Guy. Let be really here. I dint respond due to chest pains and if you actually did some searching you would see i have not posted ON the open forum up until today when i contact you in PM over this.

I responded Polity to you and even tried to explain to help you see how it works.

YET YOU COME ON THE OPEN FORUM IN THIS THREAD AND POINT THE FINGER AT ME AND ONLY ME. YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERSONAL AGAINST ME AND I DONT LIKE IT.



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You are calling me a liar and you want my respect?
I can care less for your respect at this point. You are a Liar and have twisted alot of words in this thread.

You dont want to listen to me or the others sellers. You want to run your month to wards me and Continue to cause problems.

You Caused Problems with me in my last sale thread when all this started. You Intentionally did this.

NOW less then 1 month later you do it again.!

You have some nerve which i will not let be. I will do my best to show others the person you are if you even remain on this forum after this however it seems you are doing this already for me.
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$35

The stainless is Much More then that.

You wanted to sell Both as it appears NOW.

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@tsteele93 - You should really take Angelos up on his offer to buy the hosts, and drop it.

Call it protectionism if you want, but that doesn't change what HE contributed to the forum and what YOU contributed to the forum.

Until you are in some way on equal footing in this regard, you should respect his request not to sell in that host.

No one cares if you make lasers for your own private collection.

Just don't sell one in the same hosts that other builders on here do, if they care about it. You asked, he said no. End of story. Move on.

Btw HE IS one of the nicest guys you'll ever deal with.

@Angelos - Feel better and don't worry about this. I know you're not the type to stake out claim on all hosts (lol) for some kind of monopoly, and how much you go out of your way to help others, and to not step on anyone's toes.
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The stainless is Much More then that.

You wanted to sell Both as it appears NOW.

Good Job. Keep it Up.
Angelos, please read the PM. I asked you if I could sell one of the black hosts. It is in the PM.

In this thread about the stainless host I posted the following

New build in progress

"I only ordered one of these, so I am just going to keep it as a personal build as I don't want to tread on that person's turf. I'm not sure what the correct etiquette is on the subject."

HOW CAN YOU SAY that I intended to sell the stainless host?

Honestly, how?
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The stainless is $49

Stainless Steel 26650 CREE XM-L T6 Flashlight Host $49

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Default Re: Selling etiquette and "host ownership"

I'm going to step back from this. Enough has been said. My stance is the same as it has been for about 40 posts back. I will not sell this host. I will try to never sell another member's host if possible, but if I accidentally do - oh well.

Best wishes. Feel free to crucify me for something that I haven't even done if you like.
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