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You are continuing in the same vein. *You just don't like what I am saying therefore you don't want me to say it. *Then you continue to try to silence me by asking a question and then stating that you want it to end after my response to that question is given. *I will continue to post what I feel needs to be posted, whether the OP likes it or not. *It is NOT YOUR thread. *It is "A" thread in a forum which is wholly owned by c0ldshadow. *You "own" the ideas posted in the thread, but the postings themselves and the threads/boards belong to him. *He is the only person that can limit what or who posts where. *This has nothing to do with you. *It has everything to do with my perceived responsibility to the community. *So much for whether I should be posting or not. [/rant]

There is no difference between having an opinion and telling someone what to do in the way you have stated it. *The only difference I can see, from your statements, is the way you perceive them as being intended. *The content is the same. *What I have stated should be done IS my opinion. *Because I don't say it as sweetly or softly as you desire does not change the meaning of the words. *Yes, I can be blunt. *It is also obvious that you can be overly sensitive to criticism. *Such is the nature of human interaction. *So what?

To answer your "question", it doesn't matter what he does. *This isn't about your customer. *It is about your business responsibilities. *I stated it in my previous posting. He trusted you to deliver his merchandise. *You must trust him to be honest about receiving it since you did not make the package signature confirmation or insure it. *If he is dishonest, you will lose the money for these three sleds. *If you believe he is being dishonest, you can refuse to do business with him in the future. *I've told you how I think a responsible business person would handle it. *I've told you how I would handle it. *I've told you what I think the results of choosing a different option will be.

This is my opinion. *I am telling you what a responsible business person should do. *If the parties in this transaction "escalate" there actions, it is not me escalating it. *They may use my opinion as support for that escalation, but I am not escalating it. *You get to decide how you will react to his demand. *We ALL get to keep writing posts.

Your responsibility does NOT end when you place the package into the post. *Fourty days is long enough to consider a small package "lost." *If he is being dishonest (I am NOT saying he is) what will waiting two more weeks mean? *If he already has them and is lying then it will not change anything. *If he is willing to lie about receiving them after you ship the replacements (or refund his money) then it will not change anything. *You cannot control your customer. *You can only control yourself. *

You CAN send the replacements with confirmed, signature delivery so you will not have to replace them a second time, but that option is already past for the original delivery. *You can end the interaction by simply refunding his money. *You can ask for a temporary reprieve and suffer the potential continued "drama" in the thread about it. *You can refuse to satisfy your customer's demand and potentially suffer continued 'drama" in your threads and sales. *The decision is yours. *The consequences will follow that decision. *This has noting to do with "me." *It is how humans act and react.


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Laser_Bee you are correct, And i respect your opinion. Some people dont know the whole situation before they come out with comments. Opion is different and Telling people what they should do is somthing entirley different!!!!

Daguin if you came out and said, Tommy i think its best to just issue a refund, then i would polietly let you know how know whats going on, but you didnt. you just start off by saying "YES, Thats exactly what you should do" Sounds nice? I've never open my mouth saying to you if you have nothing good to say dont come into my thread, You told yourself that!! I've told you that, if you didnt have anything helpful to say, then i would appreciate if you didnt say it, to not esculate the matter. By you saying what you said or "giving your opinion" didnt help, and if it did esculate, you wouldnt know it!

Laser_Bee, I did tell him to give it more time, and thats acouple weeks ago, and if he has still not recieved it, then PM me, and i will resend him another. I've told him Soo many times to PM and not to rant in public as i dont want people to see this situation and think, 'Hey, thats what i should say to get another diode or whatever etc etc" If he handled it in a professional manner, then thats exactly how i would of handle this situation. I've told him if i've resent him another 3, that if the others did end up finiding its way to he's house that i trust him to return it back. But no response!!

These sleds are not exspensive or mean much to me, and like i've said, i've given more out to people then i can count on 2 hands. I dont think giving him another 3 sled will hurt me in any way. But if he listen and do as i say, then it would of been resolved. Somtimes i get back from work late, and have to answer 20+ PM's and dont usually go and read threads. So thats the other reason why i say PM ME.

I ask Daguin and Laser_bee personally. After he's creating all this Drama on the thread, all this argueing and tensions are getting hot in here. If he DID end up recieving the parcel, just say in the next 1-2 days, will you think he will then openly admit he has got it, or will he be reluctant to do so now???? because of all this?? I want your opinion, im not arguing with you both.
i have done buisness with Laser_Bee and i have talked to Daguin before, and i do have respect for the both of you guys. So answer me honestly what you think of my question?

After answering the question, i would be thankful if this is the end of this topic on the thread. Thanks


SVDR, I have posted on the start of the thread here, that these are available, but i've also listed that i have none instock at this moment, but have more on the way and it will be here monday or tuesday the latest



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as far as you asking people to stay out of your thread...i think mr. admin from pl said it best in a thread....


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The Transcendental Janitor has come back from his 24 hour period of intense meditation, and he has thusly spoken the following:

The first response is: "Omni ignotum pro magnifico est."
The second response is: "Qoud erat demonstrandum est non par quod erat faciendum."
The third response is: "No."

The law provides that we have no obligation to honor your request in whole or in part. Be it noted that we are not taking sides here, we are merely explaining what our treasured legal system has continually reaffirmed with regards to what a "Service Provider" is entitled to do: Specifically and without remediation; Not a fucking thing. Zip, Zero, Nada, Zilch.

We are not content police. We have no opinion. It's not that we can't care, It is, as simply as we can manage so you will understand completely, we don't care in the slightest. The core of PL was designed to facilitate the sharing of information so that people on this planet can make informed logical decisions. If we were charged, nay, motivated to remove every thread that contained dissenting opinions and conflicting thought, this board would be barren.

We thank you for your request and we wholly decline to even consider honoring it. Requests that we see as baseless, without reason, illogical, not legally mandated or required are, simply and plainly, not entertained.

Besides, it would require effort. Effort is something we expend on causes deemed worthy and this is, in our eyes and in our opinion, most certainly not. The wheel work of what is deemed worthy can be surmised in the following three tenets:

1> All composite phenomena are impermanent.
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3> All phenomena are empty and selfless.

This is not composite and you are requesting permanence. This request is most certainly contaminated. Finally, and while the nature of the request is empty and lacking substantive value, it is most assuredly not selfless.

In short: This specific thread will remain open and unfettered in its functionality and operation.

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just a random question but why are your GB prices more than your sale prices? are you looking to get rich from members? *:-? your sale price for phrs here is 13$ & lpc's are 13.50$ and your GB prices are 13.20$ for phr and 14.30$..... :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :

am i really the first one thats noticed this? :-X
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He's for sure ripping us off... *:'(

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[quote author=drew link=1228038791/80#94 date=1232191629]just a random question but why are your GB prices more than your sale prices? are you looking to get rich from members? *:-? your sale price for phrs here is 13$ & lpc's are 13.50$ and your GB prices are 13.20$ for phr and 14.30$..... :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :

am i really the first one thats noticed this? :-X
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He's for sure ripping us off... *:'(

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i think you missed the point. when you order 100+ at the time that 20-80 cents adds up. hes making alot of money off forum members just like jake was doing charging inflated prices for a GB. a GB is meant to help the community. i thought you of all people would have understood that...
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well im using my own money on all my future sales thats why im not doing GB's any more,
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[quote author=lasersbee link=1228038791/80#98 date=1232217745][quote author=drew link=1228038791/80#94 date=1232191629]just a random question but why are your GB prices more than your sale prices? are you looking to get rich from members? *:-? your sale price for phrs here is 13$ & lpc's are 13.50$ and your GB prices are 13.20$ for phr and 14.30$..... :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :

am i really the first one thats noticed this? :-X
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He's for sure ripping us off... *:'(

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i think you missed the point. when you order 100+ at the time that 20-80 cents adds up. hes making alot of money off forum members just like jake was doing charging inflated prices for a GB. a GB is meant to help the community. i thought you of all people would have understood that...[/quote]

I understand perfectly... Drew... 8-)

According to your statement... he purposely decreased prices on the Sale and not on the GB to screw
this Forum community.... or did I misunderstand your statement above on that as well... :-? :-?

You could have just PMed him to have him correct it rather than publicly insinuate that he is trying to
rip-off the members here... (without giving him the benefit of the doubt and ask him privately first)... 8-)

I've bought from numerous members here including you.... and I and only I have decided if it was
the best price for me by doing research on the forum... If some one is selling the same item for
more than anyone else... I don't point at him a complain that he is ripping me off... I simply don't
buy and go somewhere else...
The members here are not morons... we do know a bargain when we see it... and if the PHR803Ts
are less expensive elsewhere on the forum... whether it is a different member or the same member
with 2 sales threads with different prices... then the least expensive seller is where I would go if I
needed some more.. *as would any other member here.... [/rant] *

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hes already making a decent profit from his sales and his GB prices are higher than that. thats a scam in my book. i dont know about everyone elses...
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hes already making a decent profit from his sales and his GB prices are higher than that. thats a scam in my book. i dont know about everyone elses...
So he should be selling them for the $7.00 per sled that I heard they cost... You didn't sell them
to me for $7.00 ea... Should I call you a scammer.. :-? I think not.....
If I buy 3 sleds direct from China it would cost me a lot more than even $15.00 a sled....
and getting them here for less than it would cost me direct from China... is helping part of the
community (me).

Like I said in the previous post... if the prices are lower elsewhere that's where people would get them...
then when sales drop off here..... so will the prices... Things just work out by themselves... 8-)

If he wants to sell his 803Ts for $85.00 each... do you think he would sell any... that doesn't make
him a scammer... but a lousy business man but it is his choice.

The choice of where to purchase is always your own...
Just like the price he wants to charge is his....

BTW... Drew... it smells like you have issues with the seller on this thread.... :-?

I may be wrong.... :

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did you not get the pm i sent you. you can think im a scammer all you want. i could care less either way. im not the ones scamming people for a GB...or wait is that why you think i have "issues" with the seller b/c im not posting in his GB thread after he already got the money? i have no issue with tommy. he seems like a nice guy but if he wants to help, then help dont scam... im done with this. theres enough drama on the forum already. as i said in the situation with jake..."caveat emptor"
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did you not get the pm i sent you. you can think im a scammer all you want. i could care less either way. im not the ones scamming people for a GB...or wait is that why you think i have "issues" with the seller b/c im not posting in his GB thread after he already got the money? i have no issue with tommy. he seems like a nice guy but if he wants to help, then help dont scam... im done with this. theres enough drama on the forum already. as i said in the situation with jake..."caveat emptor"
I got your PM after I posted...

Hey man.... are you on drugs.... :-?

Between the numerous PMs you just sent and this post.... *I needed to ask this question...
You seem to have totally lost grasp of the English language...

I said "Should I call you a scammer.. *:-? I think not....."

That means "NO... I should not call you a scammer"....

The only Drama on this Sales Thread is being created by you...

You gotta chill out... man.. life's too short... *8-)

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EVERYONE!

The cost of the sleds usually depends on the volume purchased.
The more purchased the cheaper the cost usually is.

Then there are hidden fees the seller pays, Western Union, Bank, PayPal, Shipping Supplies, Postal rates rising...

So in short, YES the price will be different on each Group Buy, depending on volume, supplier and other factors. this doesn't mean that your getting ripped off or scammed.

If you want a taste of reality, Slap a few thousand down, stick your neck out for little or NO profit, just in an attempt to help your fellow Laser Enthusiast out.

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OK, havent been on for 1 day, come back to see more crap on here. What did i ask??? for this to be finish with, If you know so much about buisness go open a supermarket. And if your saying your blunt? no your not blunt, your just damn rude.

Drew, do you get borded or have to much things to do with your time??? My GB i started was the cheapest when it started. Did you notice that? And that was the 1st 1-2 GB i did, so obivously the price wouldnt be as good as once i've done buisness with them acouple of times. And did those ealy GB was ordered 100?? Get your FACT straight!!!! I admit, The first couple of GB i did, looking back on them, yes i was stupid, because i thought the price i was offered was good, but unfortunately they are NOT!!!But considering the price i bought from Jake21, yeah i thought they were ahell of a good price. So unless you know eveything. Dont come in and make things worst.
For the crap you said with 'Dont come into my thread" Bloody read mate, Never said such thing. So dont start. And it takes alot for a person to admit their wrong. So i dont expect you to say anything. Ripping people off?? Dont know where you come from, but here to send items to Europe it cost over $12 and thats not including postage bag, stamps and fuel to go do it. So you know everything. congrats!!!

Jake21 i dont know what your purpose is going into people Sales page to check up on what their doing, What for??? you have nothing fun to do also? Yeah, you do have money for your sale, because you made alot of people before i came to do the GB. So again, i say to you. Your not welcomed here!!!!! i've told you i wont say anything in your thread, and i dont, so why do you continuously come into people page and tell people your offer, situation, and when your getting products in? do we care? NO.

Jerry, Some people have too much time, its not enough that they sit and read, but they go around and look for things to put their nose into. So to those, If you want to keep talking and say crap in here, feel free. Im not going to reply to that BS anymore. We'll see if it bothers me, I have better things to do then waste my time reading their opinions. If they think they know everything, GOOD FOR THEM!!!


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Originally Posted by Laser-Surplus-Parts.com
EVERYONE!

The cost of the sleds usually depends on the volume purchased.
The more purchased the cheaper the cost usually is.

Then there are hidden fees the seller pays, Western Union, Bank, PayPal, Shipping Supplies, Postal rates rising...

So in short, YES the price will be different on each Group Buy, depending on volume, supplier and other factors. this doesn't mean that your getting ripped off or scammed.

If you want a taste of reality, Slap a few thousand down, stick your neck out for little or NO profit, just in an attempt to help your fellow Laser Enthusiast out.

Or buy from someone else.
You can't say it clearer than that.... *[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Expenses are not identical for everyone at all points in time...

But there are always the jealous few that think they are owed something because they
happen to be a member/seller of this forum... or they don't want any competion.... so they
lash out trying to destroy other sales threads... :-?
As far as I've learned here... anyone can sell on this forum...

It's so damn simple.... if you think you're getting ripped off.... buy somewhere else...
(That's a no-brainer)... Duh.. [smiley=tongue.gif]

But for another seller (member) to come to someone's sales thread and accuse a long time
seller here... of being a scammer is just plain malicious... IMHO...

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well im using my own money on all my future sales thats why im not doing GB's any more,

did that hurt u ? im not bashing ur thread like some people... im getting much more hell than u and my prices are cheaper than your sleds, and i dont buy much at a time *: *and when did i called u a scammer *:-?
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well im using my own money on all my future sales thats why im not doing GB's any more,

did that hurt u ? im not bashing ur thread like some people... im getting much more hell than u and my prices are cheaper than your sleds, and i dont buy much at a time **: *and when did i called u a scammer *:-?
I rest my case............................

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Jake21 your very immature, Have you before ever gone into people sales thread advertising your stuff?? Wow your sleds are cheaper!!! man I REST MY CASE!!!!


LaserSurplus your 100% correct. The first time anyone does buisness with, the seller not going to say, "yeah, i give you the best price" before the GB i never did any GB before

So Drew Almighty,i didnt hold the price for the items yet. After several then it became apparent that the price was too high, so like every one will do is, They Bargain, thats why its cheaper now than before. There are many hidden fee's. For one, im from Australia, the cost is much higher for me to send an item to the US or Europe then in my own country, and for me to sell at a low cost that is cheaper than yours or alittle more, tells you somthing!!!!who's scamming who?
2nd, W/U Fees, how much they charge per 100$,3rd The cost i charge for these sled might be $13 but Paypal takes a cut from that, so what does that leave? $11? 4th Padded bags, 5th Stamps, 6th Fuel cost. Obviously you know how cheap Fuel are nowadays. Thats why i drive around without any care in the world. 7th Bank fee's for withdrawing the money deposited from PP!!!!!
Just work that out roughly and tell me how much it is. and not to say how much time it conssumes from my daily work. And im doing it all from the other side of the world, which cost more, unlike you, sending mostly within your own country for afew bucks.

Jerry, just ignore him, He trying he's best. Beats me why he keeps wondering people sales thread and reading up on their situation and to see how they are going. Snooping around doesnt help me, so i dont waste my time.

But i seem to notice everytime Daguin has a problem, that Drew Almighty is always not far behind him. Must really want to be a moderator of the forum. Where did i read that post???


To All Else, SORRY FOR PUTTING EVERYONE THROUGH THIS, I NOW HAVE STOCK AGAIN, SO I'LL PM THOSE LETTING THEM KNOW OF THE CHANGES!!!



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