resolved

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

I acted rashly and became just like Jake. It embarrass me that I allowed him to frustrate me to this end.
[highlight]He will get his sleds back.[/highlight] As I stated, this isn't about the sleds, but more about my ever increasing frustration that resulted from trying to get Jake to fix the broken LaserBee he sold me, refund my money from the failed 6x GB, and then since he wouldn't refund me that money try and get him to actually put  5 PHRs in the mail instead.


[highlight] I am in the process of finding a go-between to help facilitate the return of Jake's PHRs.[/highlight]


I apologize to the upstanding members here. But I still harbor great animosity toward "JAKE the SNAKE."

I will post PM and email examples so that all may see why I am sooo damn frustrated with this kid.
( of course, names and addresses of those not directly involved will be censored out. )

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

i did not no the meter was like that when i sold it thats why i paid for the repairs... for Ted u was going to keep the sleds intill i posted this about u now acting like ur a nice guy : just send them back and its all good like i told u in a email i sent u

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

Always check the member's "Reputation" [highlight]comments[/highlight] left by other members NOT just the [highlight]numbers[/highlight] of Reputation alone before dealing with a member. Just my 2 cents.

This made no sense, but expalined exerything

This email was the straw that broke the camels back. In it he admits that the "replacement" package was actually the first package he put in the mail. ( 9101 1288 8230 0664 4541 49 )

If this is the case, why would he intentionally send me my original order the very next day? ( 9101 1288 8230 0658 9312 05 )

Re: You've got a payment
Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:32 AM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Allen Love" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
abaddon669@yahoo.com
here is the first package i sent u with 5 sleds in it so let me no when u get it
9101 1288 8230 0664 4541 49

Trying to eastablish if he actually sent my order.

Keep in mind that he already told me on March 26 that my order had shipped
http://www.laserpointerforums.com/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1237333980/0#0

Ludwig Van
Class 1M laser
Posts: 83
Reputation: 0
Re: Cheap LPC-815/803T sleds in stock
Reply #19 - Mar 26th, 2009, 10:05am Quote Modify
Jake, I see that you have sleds available again... have my 5 PHR sleds shipped yet?  Wink
thanks,
TW

jake21
Class 3B laser
Posts: 2796
Reputation: Negative reputation 54 Positive reputation
Re: Cheap LPC-815/803T sleds in stock
Reply #20 - Mar 26th, 2009, 10:06am Quote
yup

The email paper trail:

Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
Monday, March 30, 2009 7:40 PM
From:
"Allen Love" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
abaddon669@yahoo.com
yea thats what i asked did u get the info bc the shipping info did not change whitch it should of

From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:36:36 PM
Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®

Jake,
Have you sent my 5 PHR sleds and $2.50 yet? I see that you have printed out a shipping label, but the tracking information  says:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Label/Receipt Number: 9101 1288 8230 0658 9312 05
Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on March 28, 2009 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In comparison, the tracking information for Dxxxxn says
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Label/Receipt Number: 9121 1501 3471 1618 9716 60
Associated Label/Receipt:
Detailed Results:

Bullet Notice Left, March 30, 2009, 1:17 pm, Uxxxx, CA 91786
Bullet Arrival at Unit, March 30, 2009, 8:28 am, Uxxxx, CA 91785
Bullet Processed, March 27, 2009, 8:39 pm, TOLEDO, OH 43601
Bullet Electronic Shipping Info Received, March 27, 2009
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, what's the deal?

TW


--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
   Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 1:09 PM

   no thats going to some one else i just used ur's so i could use
   online shipping but u should got or getting an email from pp

   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo..com>
   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:42:02 PM
   Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®

   Yes, that you used my PayPal transaction to ship something to someone else. That was very confusing and appeared to me like you accidentally/intentionally shipped my PHrRs to the wrong address.

   Remember this?
   ~~~~~~~~~
   "now I'm totally confused. What is this about? and who is Dxxxx Gxxx? Why are you shipping something to him and sending me email about it?

   If this is about the PHRs that I want... it seems that you are shipping them to Dxxxx Gxxx and not me.

   Please let me know what is going on."
   ~~~~~~~
   If you had taken the time to read my email and answer my questions then I probably would have understood. All that I wanted to know was that you have shipped me the 5 complete PHR sleds and the $2.50 that you owe me. A tracking number showing that a package was on its way to my address would have sufficed.

   Instead you told me nothing of any value. You gave me no explanation, no facts, and gave me no tracking information that showed my address.

   This whole situation could have been avoided if you would have just TOLD ME WHAT WAS HAPPENING. That is all that I wanted.

    When USPS - Track & Confirm  shows that they have received the package and it is on it's way, I will up date my post. I will let everyone know that it was just a mistake and everything is OK. Then when I actually receive the 5 PHRs I will update it again and let everyone know fast they got to me. As long as are no more suprises, everyone will think that you are a good guy to do business with. I'll tell them that you sell good sleds at good prices.

   So... don't worry about it. Everything is COOL.

   TW





   --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


 From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
 To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
 Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 12:21 PM

 what that i used ur pp thing by mistake ? and u should got the tracking threw email for ur 5 sleds

 From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
 To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:19:24 PM
 Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®

 You telling me 1000 times that "everything is cool means" nothing to me. You giving me details about what is actually happening and answering my questions so that I really know what is going on would satisfy me.

 I asked you very specific questions and I get vague answers that tell me nothing.



 --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo..com>
Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 6:35 AM

i sent u a pm on lpf not happy that u posted his info on there when i told u 3 times every thing is cool

From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo..com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®

Jake,
I'm so glad to hear " its cool dont worrie about it its under controle "
That is wonderful news!!!!  Then I can expect my 5 PHR sleds and $2.50 to arrive at my address some time around March 30 or 31.. Right? Can you please give me the tracking number for that package? I mean the one that you sent to my address....
T Warne
xxxx N Pxxxx
Post Falls, ID 83854
Please give me the tracking number of for the package that you sent to my address.

Sincerely,
TW





--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S.. Postal Service®
   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
   Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 5:29 PM

   its cool dont worrie about it its under controle

   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:30:57 PM
   Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U..S. Postal Service®

   You used the "ship online thing" to do what? Ship me the PHRs? Then why does it say:.
   ship To:

   Dxxxx Gxxx
   xxxxxxxxxxx
   Uxxxxx, CA
   91786
   United States

   I am a little worried.. That is not my address. If you shipped it there I won't receive it....  I live in IDAHO, not California.


   Please take a look at this... or go to your paypal and look at the whole thing..
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Subject:
   You've got a payment
   Shipping Address:
   t warne
   2xx n pxxx
   post falls, ID 83854
   United States
   Confirmed Help

   Funding Type:
   Credit Card
   Funding Source:
   $76.00 USD - Visa Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-xxxx
   This transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *CHEVY2259".

   Shipment Information


   Shipping Status:
   
   Shipped
   Reference Number:
   U.S. Postal Service 9121150134711618971660 Learn More


   Service Type:
   First-Class Mail® Parcel (2-5 days)
   Package Size:
   Large Package
   Mailing Date:
   Mar. 27, 2009
   Signature Confirmation:
   Yes
   Display Postage Value on Label:
   No
   Shipping Insurance:
   No

   Ship From:

   jacob lovern
   2xx rxxx lxxx
   port clinton, OH 43452
   United States

   Ship To:

   Dxxxx Gxxx
   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
   Uxxxxx, CA 91786
   United States
   Unconfirmed Residential address Help


   --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


 From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
 To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
 Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 3:14 PM

 oh no no its fine i just used the ship on line thing no worries

 From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
 To: chevy2259@yahoo.com
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:51:49 PM
 Subject: Fw: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®

 Jake,

 now I'm totally confused. What is this about? and who is Dxxxx Gxxx? Why are you shipping something to him and sending me email about it?

 If this is about the PHRs that I want... it seems that you are shipping them to Dxxxx Gxxx and not me.

 Please let me know what is going on.

 Thanks again for paying me the $100 so that I can get the LaserBee repaired. I will write up a review of the sale and post it to your review thread... don't worry, now that everything is settled and you have refunded me the cost of the repair things are good between us. I promise not to write anything horrible about the experience.

 By the way, did you see this?
  http://www.laserpointerforums.com/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1238115983/2#2

 Anyway... please let me know what is going on with my PHRs.

 Thanks again
 TW


 --- On Fri, 3/27/09, service@paypal.com <service@paypal..com> wrote:


From: service@paypal.com <service@paypal.com>
Subject: Your purchase will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service®
To: "t" <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 6:35 AM

Dear t warne,



Your package will be shipped by PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service

jacob lovern used PayPal Shipping with U.S. Postal Service to create a shipping label for your package.

You can check the delivery status of your package online at:

http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSIn...nquiry.do?origTrackNum=9121150134711618971660


Please note: Tracking information is updated throughout the day, but most data is transmitted in the afternoon or evening. For example, if your Express Mail® package is mailed today at 10:00 a..m., you might not be able to view tracking information until the next day.


-----------------------------------
Shipment Details
-----------------------------------

Tracking Number: 9121150134711618971660

Shipped From:

jacob lovern
XXX Rxxx Lxxx
pxxx cxxxxx, OH
    xxxxx
United States


Ship To:

Dxxxd Gxxx
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Uxxxxx, CA
XXXXX
United States


Carrier: U.S. Postal Service

Service Type:  First-Class Mail® Parcel (2-5 days)


Note: Shipping time may sometimes exceed time shown for selected service type, depending on the distance between seller and buyer.

Note from Seller: jake21 off lpf







----------------------------------------------------------------
Your Purchase Details
----------------------------------------------------------------


Amount: $76.00 USD

Transaction ID: 97X087189B505221R


Subject:You've got a payment

Note:jake21 off lpf


----------------------------------------------------------------
Transaction Details
----------------------------------------------------------------
You can view PayPal transaction details related to this shipment at:
https://www.paypal.com/us/vst/id=97X087189B505221R


----------------------------------------------------------------

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

I believe that was officially the longest post I have ever seen. @Jerry, yes, Dave is correct, I was not talking about you .

still trying to get answers

It was only after the following correspondence that the "replacement' package showed that it had been received at the post office. I can only guess, but at the time of his reply he probably still had the package in his possession... how else would he be able to photograph them. In all fairness, he might have taken the pictures before he dropped the package off, but it isn't very likely. I doubt he has that much foresight

From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:29:13 PM
Subject: Re: You've got a payment

Your pictures of the shipping label mean absolutely nothing. It just shows that you printed it out this time.

We'll talk again on the 4th.



--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: You've got a payment
   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
   Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:41 PM

   would u like pictures of the package to bc i have them also ?

   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:34:29 PM
   Subject: Re: You've got a payment

   Jake,

   So, what you are telling me is that you have actually put not just one, but TWO packages in the mail, addressed to me, that contain 5 PHR sleds each? You honestly expect me to believe that you have sent me 2 separate packages of 5 phrs each? 10 PHRs?!!! There is no proof that you have even put one package into the mail yet.

   When did you put this "second" package in the mail? Today while you were out?
   Did you hand it to a post office employee, or just drop it in the slot?
   Is this the tracking information for it?
   http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSIn...nquiry.do?origTrackNum=9101128882300664454149

   If you are really telling me the truth, then tonight the tracking information should update showing that the package has been received.

   If the Track & Confirm page does not update, OR if I fail to receive a package of 5 complete, new and undamaged PHR sleds from you by April 4th I will be forced to file a PayPal dispute and write a full review of our interactions using our email correspondence to show everyone what dealing with you is really like.

   Sincerely
   T Warne


   --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


       From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
       Subject: Re: You've got a payment
       To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
       Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:35 AM

       u should be getting a tracking number for ur 2nd order lol

       From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
       To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
       Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:38:54 PM
       Subject: Re: You've got a payment

       Jake,
        Your ability to respond to my questions without actually answering them astounds me.
       Please, I'm begging you, please answer the following multiple choice questions:

       1) What day did you put my original order of 5 PHRs in the mail?
       Saturday March 28
       Sunday March 29
       Monday March 30
       Tuesday March 31

       2) Did you send it with using this tracking number? 9101 1288 8230 0658 9312 05
       Yes
       No

       TW






       --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


           From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
           Subject: Re: You've got a payment
           To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
           Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 6:00 PM

           bc u said u did not get it so ill mail more so u can stop yelling bc there not there all ready i shipped first class thats 2-9days

           From: "abaddon669@yahoo.com" <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
           To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
           Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:56:58 PM
           Subject: Re: You've got a payment

           OK. I'll wait... some more.   It appears that you printed postage Saturday, March 28. When did you actually put it in the mail? You did already put it in the mail, right? Why else would you say
           "
           Subject: Re: order
           « Date: Today at 12:57pm »
           isent u ur 2.50 lol through pp i guess ill have to send u another 5 sleds i sent Dxxx my kryton with one of those new diodes in it its putting out 210mw  Cool
           "

           --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


               From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
               Subject: Re: You've got a payment
               To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
               Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:45 PM

               over what u expect mail to fly over night to u chill down....mail me a letter and see if i get it tomorrow u will get the sleds give it time to get to u
               From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
               To: "chevy2259@yahoo.com" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
               Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:29:22 PM
               Subject: Re: You've got a payment

               Jake,
               I'm over it. Don't bother. Please just refund me the rest of the money... $57.50 to my Paypal and we are done.
               TW

               --- On Tue, 3/31/09, chevy2259@yahoo.com <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                   From: chevy2259@yahoo.com <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                   Subject: You've got a payment
                   To: "t warne" <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                   Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:05 PM

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                   Dear t warne,

                   jacob lovern just sent you money with PayPal.

                   Payment details
                   Amount: $2.50 USD
                   Transaction Date: Mar 31, 2009
                   Transaction ID: 0TL2696948923724E
                   Subject: You've got a payment
                   Message: i guess i have to resend u 5phr sence they did not come to u

                   View the details of this transaction online

                   jacob lovern is a Verified buyer.

                   jacob lovern has completed the PayPal Verification process to help confirm their identity, and they have a confirmed bank account, or been approved for a PayPal Plus Credit Card.
                   The PayPal Verification process is a security measure to confirm that a user is the owner of the bank account or credit card they are using in PayPal. Confirming each user's identity helps prevent fraud, such as identity theft, and increases the security of payments in PayPal.
                   This transaction will appear soon in the Recent Activity list on your Account Overview.

                   Shipping Information:
                   Address: jacob lovern
                   xxx rxxx lxxx
                   pxxx cxxxxxx, OH 43452
                   United States
                   Address status: Confirmed

                   

                   Have you increased your withdrawal and receiving limits? Just log in to your PayPal account, go to the Account Overview page, and click View Limits.
                   Sincerely,
                   PayPal

                   PayPal Email ID PP274

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

get over it all ready for god sake u dont have to plead no more just send me the 5 sleds  : and keep ur 5  end of story

the LaserBee fiasco

[highlight]First I want to make it abundantly clear that it was Jake who sold me a LaserBee that he later admitted he damaged with a 6x.  
Jerry was only involved to help negotiate the cost of repairs.

If I had purchased it directly through Jerry I wouldn't be in this mess. [/highlight]

Jake finally did pay me $100 to cover the repairs, unfortunately for me I had to pay the $33 to ship it internationally.  


Re: LaserBee Repair
Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Allen Love" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
abaddon669@yahoo.com

paid i hope ur happy hahaha

From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:50:31 AM
Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

Jake, I'm really confused. Please explain to me what you are doing? Do I understand you correctly that you have my 5 PHR sleds ready to go, but what is the deal with the money order and PayPal? How much are you sending by money order? How much by PayPal.

Thank you for helping me understand this complex transaction.

TW

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  << quote from your  LPM personal message to me>>
"haha i was ready to pm u lol i just got the money order from some guy and now i have to cash it tomorrow and ill have to get another money order for u and ill have every thing sent to u sound ok ? and the other 25 i owe will be through pp"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:48:38 PM
   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

   Jake

   If you would rather pay me some of the $160 in sleds, I'll take 5 PHR-803T. (complete sleds.. I like to optics ) That would come to $57.50 and mean that you would only owe me $102.50.
   Please let me know how you want to take care of it.

   Thanks,
   TW

   --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


       From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
       To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
       Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 6:13 PM

       or the sled jay tested that he had that was 384mw at 200ma thats what i have

       From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
       To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
       Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:12:31 PM
       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

       Where did you get an 8x diode? They are like $200...
       http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...roogle-_-Blu-Ray+Burners-_-Pioneer-_-27129037

       If you have a complete drive I'd LOVE to have it!!!

       --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


           From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
           To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
           Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:53 PM


           would u want a 8x diode ?
           From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
           To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
           Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:05:54 PM
           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

           Jake,
               Jerry emailed me and confirmed that you two agreed upon the $100 repair price.That is great! So how do you prefer to pay me? I understand that you don't have the funds available in PayPal right now. You said that you have cash. How about getting me a Postal Money Order for $160 and we can be done with it?

           $60 for the 6X
           $100 for the LaserBee repairs
           --------
           $160

           You refund of $20 never posted to my PayPal account. If it helps, here is the transaction information:
           Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #31U772634P222810W)


           Thanks again for working so hard to make everything right.

           --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


               From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
               Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
               To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
               Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:02 PM

               ok i have 20.00 in my paypal whats ur email address ill send it to u lol

               From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
               To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
               Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:00:04 PM
               Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

               you can send it the same way that I did. I sent you a partial payment of $76 and then the remaing $125 as soon as I could.

               --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                   Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:53 PM

                   because i dont have the full amount right this second when the meter is done ill have the 100.00 for the repairs so how am i expose to send the funds when i cant ? at this second

                   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                   Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:51:52 PM
                   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                   Jake,
                   Please answer just one question:
                   Why won't you give me the money so that I can pay him when the repairs are finished?
                   TW


                   --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                       From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                       To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                       Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:47 PM

                       jerry will fix it and when its done he will ship u the damn meter back to U lol if u pm him and tell him to ship u the meter when its done and paid when jerry has it done ill pay thesame damn day the same damn second i get the email and his email address to pay
                       From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                       To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                       Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:43:23 PM
                       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                       I want $110 so that I can get it fixed OR a full refund and I'll ship it back to you.

                       Are you saying that the only way to get it fixed is for me to send it to Jerry, who will fix it and then send it to you, and then you are supposed ship it to me?

                       If that is the only way, then NO. I don't want it repaired. I want my $200 back and to ship this broken meter right back to you.

                       --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                           From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                           To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                           Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:19 PM

                           its up to u if u want it fixed or not

                           From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                           To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                           Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16:17 PM
                           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                           That is the problem,  I don't want to have to worry if you will have the money to pay him when he is done. I do not agree to just send him the meter for repair unless the $110 is in Jerry's or my possession.

                            If you can have Jerry send me an email stating that he will fix my meter and send it back to me when it is done regardless whether you have paid him or not, then I will agree to send it to him.

                           All I want is $110 so that I can get it fixed, OR a full refund and I will immediately ship it back to you. With tracking and requiring signature if you like.



                           Thank you very much for being willing to send me the $60 refund for the failed 6X group buy. I really do appreciate that.

                           Please send the Postal Money Order to:

                           T Warne
                           2xx N Pxxx
                           Post Falls, Idaho 83854

                           TW


                           --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                               From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                               Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                               To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                               Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:03 PM

                               yes once it is done by jerry jerry will email me and ill pay him and he will ship it to u that simple for the money order just let me have ur address u like it shipped to

                               From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                               To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                               Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:01:56 PM
                               Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                               Jake,
                               If by " explain it to u" you mean Jerry will send me an email stating that he will fix my meter and send it back to me when it is done regardless whether you have paid him or not, then, yes.
                               As for the $60... I'll happily accept a postal money order for the $60. While you are at the post office, remember to send it so that it can be tracked, maybe even require a signature. That way you can know that I actually received it.

                               TW
                               --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                                   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                                   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                                   Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:44 PM

                                   if u like jerry to explain it to u ill email him to explain to u whats going on lol oh and for the 6x sled ill have to send u a money order if thats ok bc i only have it in cash due to my supplier screwing me over on the 6xsleds

                                   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                                   To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                   Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:31:41 PM
                                   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                                   Jake,
                                    I know about your agreement with Jerry. What you told him was that you refunded me the $200 for the meter and  you were going to ship it to him for repair.
                                   BUT
                                   that is not what is happened. You did not refund me $200. If you want to do it that way GREAT! Refund me the money and I will ship the defective meter that you sent to me back to you.
                                   OR
                                    you could just issue me a partial refund of $110 and I will send Jerry the meter AND pay for the repair myself.

                                   Please don't make this into a problem. All I want is a working LaserBee, or a full refund.
                                   I almost forgot about the $60 I paid you for the 6X. What is the status of that? Will you ship me a SF-AW210?

                                   thank you for helping me solve this issue.

                                   TW
                                   


                                   --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                                       From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                                       To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                                       Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:17 PM

                                       not to sound pissed off i just need u to send the meter to jerry and ill pay for the repairs we have a deal between me and him to pay to have it done

                                       From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                                       To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                       Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:09:20 PM
                                       Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                                       Jake,
                                       I am not comfortable with that arrangement. You need to either refund me the entire $200 and I will ship it back to you and you can ship it to Jerry (this is what you told Jerry is happening) OR issue me a partial refund to cover the repair and I'll ship it to him and then pay him directly.

                                       TW


                                       --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                                           From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                                           To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                                           Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 5:57 PM

                                           i allready talked to him we all ready have it set up just send him the meter thanks

                                           From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                                           To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                           Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:55:51 PM
                                           Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

                                           Jake,

                                           I am going to send the LaserBee to Jerry, but I need you to refund me the cost of the repair so that I can pay him myself. That way there is no confusion. The amount of your PayPal refund  to me is $110. (see below)
                                           Since I will be sending the meter tomorrow I need you refund me the money immediately so that I can pay Jerry as soon as the work is complete.

                                           Thanks.

                                           TW


                                           ~~~~~~~~~~
                                           A new sensor alone is $125.00US... the problem is that each Sensor needs
                                           to be calibrated to its LaserBee I PCB.
                                           To calibrate a LaserBee I is $50.00US plus insured shipping both ways...as
                                           is stated in the User Instructions...

                                           BTW... we can re-coat the Thermopile Sensor for
                                           $30.00US... but the sensor still
                                           needs to be calibrated to your LaserBee I PCB.
                                           To calibrate a LaserBee I is $50.00US plus
                                           insured shipping both ways... To ship
                                           a LaserBee I to the USA from Canada with Insurance is $30.00..


                                           --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                                               From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                               Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
                                               To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                                               Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:49 PM

                                               i got it covered just send it to him like that email said woth tracking and insurance ect... when its done he will pm me and ill send him the funds

                                               From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                                               To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                               Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:39:56 PM
                                               Subject: LaserBee Repair

                                               Jake,

                                               Thank you very much for covering the repair. I'll ship the LaserBee to him on Monday. I think the easiest way for you to pay is to just give me a partial refund of $110, then I'll pay him when the repairs are complete.

                                               I'll email you with the tracking info if you like.

                                               TW


                                               --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


                                                   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
                                                   Subject: Re: Re: assessment of Jake's LPM
                                                   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
                                                   Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 5:24 AM

                                                   i have to pay for it so just send it to him with tracking insurance ect.....

                                                   From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
                                                   To: chevy2259@yahoo.com
                                                   Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:44:41 PM
                                                   Subject: Fw: Re: assessment of Jake's LPM

                                                   Jake ,
                                                   I got your PM on Laser Pointer Forum and now I'm confused.

                                                   So how is that going to work?  I send him the LaserBee and it will  fixed under warranty, or are you going to pay for the repair?

                                                   TW

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

what are u trying to prove ?

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

Jake, u got a PM : Been a few hours since i asked for the tracking lol. Hope u havnt lost it again

Jake has a difficult time with the truth

Throughout the negotiation to get the Laserbee fixed Jake was telling me one thing and telling Jerry another.

Re: LaserBee Repair
Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:05 PM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Allen Love" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
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To:
abaddon669@yahoo.com

just send the meter and leave the rest to me and jerry


From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:03:27 PM
Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair

Unfortunately what you are telling Jerry and what you are telling me doesn't match. You specifically told him that you refunded me my money! He is under the impression that the meter is no longer mine, that you refunded my money and I gave it back TO YOU.

Here is what Jerry emailed me
~~~~~~~~~~~
I gave Jake a cost to repair and re-calibrate his LaserBee I + Thermopile plus Insured
Shipping back to him... this past week.. and he agreed to the price and... as far as we
understood ...he is sending the unit back to us... That is the Last I heard...

I understood that Jake was going to refund you... I would do that...
If I were you... I would choose another trusted LPF member as a middleman to ship the
LaserBee I to... until Jake's refund was in your hands... then the middleman would ship
the LaserBee I to Jake... Don't let Jake talk you into sending the Defective LaserBee I that
HE sold you to us directly... unless you have the Refund in hand...

regards,
Jerry Bauer pres.

~~~~~~~~~~~


--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com> wrote:


   From: Allen Love <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: LaserBee Repair
   To: abaddon669@yahoo.com
   Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:42 PM

   jerry told me for u to ship him the meter when he is done ill pay him and u will get them meter please let me no if u understand that im not in the mood to fight over some thing thats tooken care of all ready i told jerry i dont have that much right now so buy time he has it fixed i will have the money and he said ok  

Keeping Jake honest

Re: I'd like to get us all on the same page (literally)
Monday, March 23, 2009 2:37 PM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Allen Love" <chevy2259@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
abaddon669@yahoo.com
correct but he told me $100 10 dollars off

From: t <abaddon669@yahoo.com>
To: info@bauer-ee.com; chevy2259@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:18:52 PM
Subject: I'd like to get us all on the same page (literally)

Hello gentlemen,
Due to the excessive confusion regarding the repair of the damaged LaserBee, I thought it best that we all "got on the same page."

***
I want to state myself clearly.

   The fact of the matter is that the damaged meter now belongs to me. I'm sending it to you, Jerry, and since you can't send it back to me until you are paid for your work, it is my responsibility to make sure that you get paid in a timely manner.

In short, I pay you, and Jake reimburses me.

The actual cost for the repairs will be:
$30.00 to re-coat the Thermopile Sensor
$50.00 to re-calibrate a LaserBee I PCB
$30.00 for return shipping to the USA from Canada with Insurance
------------
$110.00  US Dollars

   Jake,  I am very happy that you and I were able to work this out.  I understand that because you do not have the entire $110 immediately available, you have agreed to reimburse me in a few installments. You also agreed that you will have paid me back in full (the entire $110) as soon as Jerry has finished his repairs.  I find this arrangement more than acceptable.
(Jake, if I am wrong about any of this, or misunderstood you in some way... please correct me so that I can better understand your intentions.)

I need to ship the LaserBee (insured) through United States Postal Service only to:
J.BAUER Electronics
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx
Canada

***

Thank you, both, for bearing with me. It is unfortunate that this issue became so convoluted.

Sincerely,
TW

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

To conclude,
Jake does sell great sleds at cutthroat prices and his service is usually extraordinarily fast. All of my transactions with him in the past have been exemplary... until things went wrong. He sold me a damaged LaserBee and I had to wrestle the money for repairs out of his grubby little hands. I paid in advance for his 6x group but, but when it failed he no longer had the money to pay me back. In an attempt to recoup that loss I negotiated 5 PHRs and a $2.50 refund. The $2.50 was easy, but getting him to put the sleds in the mail took consistent "reminding" and finally the threat of a PayPal dispute and negative feedback.

[highlight]
I am looking for a neutral intermediary to handle the return of Jakes sleds.[/highlight]
PM me if you are willing to get involved. Thanks in advance to the brave soul that volunteers.

I also want to apologize to Jerry for pulling him into the vortex that IS dealing with "Jake the Snake".

And to all the good members of this forum for subjecting you to all this dirty laundry.

yours truly,
T warne

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

I did my best to sterilize everything, but if anyone finds any personal information that I missed and needs to be removed, please let me know and I will  censor it immediately.

Re: T_Warne AKA Ludwig Van is a SCAMMER

;D ;D ;D[highlight]I had to wrestle the money for repairs out of his grubby little hands[/highlight]

i had the money i just did not want to pay u i wanted to send it to jerry

EDIT: nice post though trying to make me look bad ;D