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Oh, and BTW 0.006 degrees corresponds to around 0.1mRad, so you know this thing has a HUGE beam diameter.


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Don't tease it too much - this is on a whole new plane of quality. These make your highest quality laserglow portable look like a piece of crap from DX.
Amen.

How does one of these end up on Ebay in the first place?
I wouldn't think any average Joe could buy something like that from a military supplier (and huck 3.5 grand out the window) and say "eh, it's not what I was looking for."
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[quote author=pseudonomen137 link=1214498356/12#15 date=1214508767]Don't tease it too much - this is on a whole new plane of quality. These make your highest quality laserglow portable look like a piece of crap from DX.
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How does one of these end up on Ebay in the first place?
I wouldn't think any average Joe could buy something like that from a military supplier (and huck 3.5 grand out the window) and say "eh, it's not what I was looking for." [/quote]

Having become all too familiar with the supply department when I was in the U.S. Navy - I can EASILY see how this ended up for sale ! TONS of military items were regularly disposed of, either in the *****ter, or at DRMO (Defense Reutilization Management something or other :P) at a full public auction, or just walk in, and pay cash for it. If I had the cash for it, a full on military jeep was auctioned off for $5,000 - it was brand spankin new, needed the ignition switch replaced, because someone busted the key off in it...it had 17 miles on it - I remember it like it was yesterday I REALLY needed a car then, too ! WAAAAA ! Anyways - lots of items would show up there like clockwork - I bought a ton of PC equipment, refurbished it, and resold it at a decent price many times ! It was the only way I could afford high quality PC equipment at the time, too !

I still do not think it will be on Ebay much longer... I am sure someone will whine about it breaking the rules soon.
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"Used in low-light conditions to designate targets for land-based or airborne attacks."

They are yanking your chain. I was a forward air controller back in the day (controlled air strikes) and no laser we ever used was green. They are all IR pulsed YAG systems. Even the M-4 mounted laser sights are IR because you can see where you are going to hit when you have to wear nods (night vision equipment) since you cannot sight down your weapon wearing them.

They may have a national stock number but that doesn't mean anything. It means any department in the US government can look for what they need and order it quickly without contract negotiations or multiple bids. It doesn't mean anyone has ever sold one to the government. When you become a contractor you list all of the products you wish to make available to the government even if they never buy any of them you will have NSN assigned to each of your products.

I wouldn't touch it for that outlandish price. Tells you how bad they screw over the government and the taxpayer for a 250mW greenie.

I was going to say....if this was actually sold to the gov't, then it must be like the mythical tax dollar burning $500 toilet seat! ;D
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That thing had to be stolen. There is no way it would end up in DRMO because it is a hazardous item. I suppose some supply sergeant might have figured out someway to classify it as XP expendable and have it drop off the books as destroyed but that's still diversion and illegal.
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That thing had to be stolen. There is no way it would end up in DRMO because it is a hazardous item. I suppose some supply sergeant might have figured out someway to classify it as XP expendable and have it drop off the books as destroyed but that's still diversion and illegal.
Agreed - I HAVE seen some fairly odd things show up at DRMO though - back in its' hey-day it was THE place to get good junk
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I wouldn't touch it for that outlandish price. Tells you how bad they screw over the government and the taxpayer for a 250mW greenie.
:lol: that's probably just 'normal' - I am sure Rummy and Chainsaw needed military strength green "pointers" to cart around just for show. ;D I don't think insane prices mean a whole lot to the military... what are the reports saying now? How many trillion dollars have they pissed into the "defense" fund in the last 10 years?? It'd be laughable if we (speaking as an American here) and our kids and our kid's kids weren't going to be the ones ultimately footing the bill for that crap for the next 300 years. I think the last figures I saw showed that if the IRS garnished 100% of all wages from every American working for the next 10 years it still would not even be able to pay the interest on the national debt. Unreal. The irony is that if ANY business were running that insolvent, it would have been chapter 11 years ago - yet they pass all kinds of new accounting laws like Sarbanes Oxley to keep businesses 'honest and transparent'. Pure insanity.

More scary than that is the scenario where people actually DO get fed up with the insanity in Washington and decide to do something about it..... I think they are labeling any protesters as "insurgents" now... and then all of these neat-o toys we bought the pentagon end up being used against the American people. Scary as hell! Let's just hope that never happens. It would be a sad day in who-ville.

In any case... back to the laser itself - how do you think they are protecting the crystals from being knocked out of alignment? I can only imagine the abuse something like this would take in a combat situation... and I have seen what dropping a new wish greenie does to it... hmm, maybe that is what makes it so damn expensive?

Oh, and yea - I have to agree with the consensus here - that thing has got to be hotter than whore's @ss. I can't imagine the military letting something like that go out on an auction... but than again... you never know. The US military has been known to do some pretty amazingly brain dead things at times. Like shipping ICBM detonators to China instead of helicopter batteries... and that was just one that happened to make the mainstream newspapers. I am sure the stories only get "better" from there!
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The real one has a pulsed 904 diode or 1.5u erbium laser inside it, and a 830nm IR laser diode for NVD visibility. Having a green laser for aiming and designation would be stupid on many levels... it would be like telling the enemy to shoot here! Just follow the beam! ;D
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Having a green laser for aiming and designation would be stupid on many levels... it would be like telling the enemy to shoot here! Just follow the beam! ;D
Are you sure?
http://www.bemeyers.com/index.php?op...&Itemid=53

I don't think they would be selling one if it was completely stupid idea. Check out the description.
You are right thou.. "Tracers work both ways"
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Guys, if it's new and from the Military on eBay - DO NOT BUY IT. It's stolen PERIOD. None of the US branches will sell ANYTHING online - PERIOD.

If a Military item is used, be very suspicious if it's newer type used gear.

That Military laser was pulled by eBay - hmmmmm

It's not fun waking up to NCIS pounding on your door and snatching up what you just purchased on eBay back. Happened to me, and I lost $825.00 (not from a laser...), but now I get a paid trip to a federal trial in the NY. Fun fun >

Moral of the story, be real carefull with Military stuff anywhere on the net......
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Thanks for sharing your experience. Your advice is spot-on.
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[quote author=heruursciences link=1214498356/24#24 date=1214539257]Having a green laser for aiming and designation would be stupid on many levels... it would be like telling the enemy to shoot here! Just follow the beam! ;D
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I don't think they would be selling one if it was completely stupid idea. Check out the description.
You are right thou.. "Tracers work both ways"[/quote]

I left this statement unmolested before, but it has returned. This "convention" was very valid in military conflicts previous to about Grenada. Today's battlefield is different. This is especially true in Afghanistan and Iraq. In conflicts where both sides have similar weapons systems, tracers are problematic. If you can hit them with your tracers, they can hit you with return fire by following the "trail" of the tracers to find your position.

However, if the weapons systems are unequal, this becomes less problematic. If your target (a group of insurgents) is holed up on a mountain side armed with AK-47's and RPG's, they have an effective kill range of about 500 yards. If you're sitting in the valley in an M1A SEP tank you have an effective kill range of about 4000 yards. You don't really care if they know where you are, do you?

In addition we have unmanned drones and high altitude aircraft that cannot be heard from the ground. These weapons systems can be targeted using a lasers. So not only do you not care if they know where you are, if you use visual laser light, they know that being "painted" with a laser is usually bad news for them. If they are "lit up" by a laser, their usual reaction is to bug out or go underground. They know that you know where they are and have targeted them effectively. Using visual laser light under these conditions is very intimidating.

Now tank on tank in open ground is a different battlefield with different requirements. There IR and laser countermeasures become the norm.

"Tracers" aren't what they used to be.

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