FS: Night vision monocular PVS-14 in the EU!

Hey, If you live in the EU and want a CHEAP great night vision monocular than this is the one: Nachtsichtgerät gen 3 Omni VII bei eBay.de: Jagen (endet 31.05.10 21:43:26 MESZ)

It is all new, the tube is OMNI 7 gen 3.
So the best tube you can get for your money!

Well CHEAP is something else... EUR 3.450,00 starting price
I know only very few about night vision but that unit looks really awesome for 3k less I'd buy it

Holy shit, 3.500 euro?

I could buy an Herc-500 with that.

Also ..... "gen 3" ?

AFAIK, gen 3 tubes are not available for civil market ..... not yet, at least .....

Yes, I know.
You just need to know the right people to get your hands on a gen 3

Yes, but that one in the pics looks as a gen 1 tube ..... or can be an old gen 2 of a model that i don't know, anyway, (i for sure don't know all the models) ..... and i paid my old gen 1 with illuminator and blinder something like 100 Euro (120 $, actually), and can buy a decent gen 2 (used, ex army) for 350 to 400 Euro, if i had the money, in the last electronic fair in february ..... that price seem to me "just a little bit" too high

Like a gen2??? Show me that tube!
This is the latest gen 3 omni 7 MX-11769 tube on the market and it is all NEW not any used shit!

LOL, don't jump at conclusions, i never said that this IS a gen 2 device, i only said that this LOOK as a gen 2 device that i tried once, also if it have some differences (that one was an ATN MO4-3 unit, sold as gen 3, but in reality was a simple gen 2+ unit).....

Other than this, please consider that i'm not a nightvision devices expert ..... i only repaired a pair of them, and have a hoby level interest in them .....

It was better if in that auction there was some more informations, about the tube, for understand what exactly it is in reality ..... but, also if i can't read German too correctly, i see that the more interesting informations are absent ..... like, just as example ..... cathode type ? (alkali-cds, multi-alkali, thick GaAs, thin GaAs, layerless, autogated), tube type ? (ATN, ATNS, CGT, HTP, ITT/Pinnacle, 2IA, 3I, 3N, other), intensifier device (photodrive, microchannels plate, others), and so on ..... instead i only read "Omni 7", that if i recall correctly, was a device using a gen 2+ GaAs thick layer cathode type tube ..... but i can be wrong, in this, so if this one use an ATNS or 3I / 3N tube with filmless GaAs cathode and autogated power system, then it can be a gen 3 .....

Also, please consider that, for the market and sale purpose, there are a lot of producers that erroneously state theyr devices in the wrong class ..... as example, anyone know gen 1 (converters and 100X enhancers, that still need IR light source), and almost anyone knows gen 2 (converters and 1000X enhancers, that can work with ambient light near 0,1 lux, but not in the total darkness), but not all the peoples knows that gen 2 have more than one class, and that some producers have always sold their gen 2+ and 2T devices as gen 3 (gen 3 can work in absolute darkness using thermal differences, and can enhance 10000X the background light, as example, and usually don't require nor integrate any IR illuminator) ..... and there are producers that still claim that they are selling gen 4 to the public !!! ..... a "gen 4" tube is a FLIR camera connected to a DSP unit, with an output on a screen, not a nightvision device, but they insist that they are selling gen 4 nightvision monoculars !!

Ofcourse this is not seller guilty, if he have buyed it as "gen 3" in good faith, as a lot of other peoples have done ..... the fault is from the original producer, in this case ..... only, if some more technical informations was available, can say you something better ..... also cause, as far as i remember, i never seen a "real" gen 3 unit for less than 10.000 $ of cost .....

EDIT: corrected wrong values, sorry for the typos

wickedALEX said:

Like a gen2??? Show me that tube!
This is the latest gen 3 omni 7 MX-11769 tube on the market and it is all NEW not any used shit!

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Obviously HIMNL9 knows what he is talking about. The price is too high, and it does not state all the facts. I could be wrong, but the eBay add looks like bullshit. Dont always believe what you read.

Well than:
http://www.google.lu/url?sa=t&sourc...9qSGDg&usg=AFQjCNHHebskIhmCzyJ7zV_wFU_MqG_Ksg

The Tube is not autogated but is a Pinnacle with variable gain control.(Like in all PVS-14's)
This is not the civilian version but the military one (F9815*** is civilian and MX-***** is MIL.)

Oh and pleas google what the Omnibus contracts is about!
http://www.ownthenight.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/webassets/generationcomp.jpeg
this is a older scale so there is no Omni 7 on that one.

Night vision device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <- that is Omni VII

You don't seem to know anything about modern Gen 3 Tubes.

Oh and the ATN, ATNS, CGT, HTP tube types are only gen2 tubes from russia no gen3 tubes they are only names invented by ATN.

And here are som other photos taken with the device:

ImageShack Album - 3 images


Gen 4 is a so called film less tube, it was just a experimental tube but didn't have a long enough lifetime (under 10.000h)

wickedALEX said:

Well than:
http://www.google.lu/url?sa=t&sourc...9qSGDg&usg=AFQjCNHHebskIhmCzyJ7zV_wFU_MqG_Ksg

The Tube is not autogated but is a Pinnacle with variable gain control.(Like in all PVS-14's)
This is not the civilian version but the military one (F9815*** is civilian and MX-***** is MIL.)

Oh and pleas google what the Omnibus contracts is about!
http://www.ownthenight.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/webassets/generationcomp.jpeg
this is a older scale so there is no Omni 7 on that one.

Night vision device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <- that is Omni VII

You don't seem to know anything about modern Gen 3 Tubes.

Oh and the ATN, ATNS, CGT, HTP tube types are only gen2 tubes from russia no gen3 tubes they are only names invented by ATN.

And here are som other photos taken with the device:

ImageShack Album - 3 images

Gen 4 is a so called film less tube, it was just a experimental tube but didn't have a long enough lifetime (under 10.000h)

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Well, i have admitted clearly, in my previous post, that i don't know too much about nightvision devices ..... but, let me say that, having built my first one from savaged parts when i was 17 (and i'm actually 48 ), maybe i have some basic knowledges, about them

The tube that you've linked from morovision is, in fact, an ITT/Pinnacle thin-film GaAs unit, that can be used indifferently with ungated or autogated power supplies, usually sold as gen 3, but in reality pertaining to gen 2T, the better of the gen 2 ranges (and, i repeat, is not your fault to have indicated it as class 3, if the producer incorrectly state it in this way, so i'm NOT complaining with you, simply pointing to an information)

Is a commonly used "bad practice" from manufacturers, that one, to state their products as better as they are in reality ..... real "gen 3" tubes are the so-called "filmless GaAs" ones, with 2 or 3 layers of microchannels plates intensifiers, and a resolution that can go from 30 to 60 lines/mm ..... the ones that they claim as "gen 4", and that, instead, are true gen 3 ones ..... and, BTW, they are also forbidden to export outside USA for the military rules about FOM, so they cannot be used "legally" in standard devices (i quoted "legally", cause there are always systems, for a big company, to surround these rules, if they really want )

No, that is not correct.
A true gen 3 maintain the MCP from Gen II, but use a photocathode made with gallium arsenide, which further improves image resolution. In addition, the MCP is coated with an ion barrier film for increased tube life. The light amplification is also improved to around 30,000–50,000×

An a so called gen4 is a filmless GaAs.

WIKI:
"Although the recent increased performance associated with the GEN-III OMNI-VII components is impressive, the US Army has not yet authorized the use of the name GEN-IV for these components.

GEN-III OMNI-VII devices can differ from standard Generation 3 in two important ways. First, an automatic gated power supply system regulates the photocathode voltage, allowing the NVD to instantaneously adapt to changing light conditions.[16] The second is a removed or greatly thinned ion barrier, which decreases the amount of electrons that are usually rejected by the Standard GEN III MCP, hence resulting in less image noise and the ability to operate with a luminous sensitivity at 2850K of only 700, compared to operating with a luminous sensitivity of at least 1800 for GEN III image intensifiers.[17] The disadvantage to a thin or removed ion barrier is the overall decrease in tube life from a theoretical 20,000 hrs mean time to failure (MTTF) for Gen III type, to 15,000 hrs MTTF for GEN IV type. However, this is largely negated by the low numbers of image intensifier tubes that reach 15,000 hrs of operation before replacement."

And the tube I am selling is a Omni VII one.
So it has a minimum! of >64 L/pmm and a S/N ration of a minimum of 25.