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When has it become wrong to make profit off something? I am trying to come up with thousands of dollars in hospital bills and trying to support my family at the same time and lasers are my main breadwinner. I am doing anything I can to make money. If it wasn't for selling this type of stuff from time to time and running YouTube videos I'd be SOL. Please understand where I am coming from here, I am 19 and driving a POS car, trying to save for college, and paying a lot of bills and I'm not getting anywhere. I apologize for hiding my sources but I gotta cover my ass here.


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I thought it was the case that if Styro released his source, his source would no longer supply him... Maybe I read something wrong though.
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Eh, I understand witholding the source for that. Still, EVERYBODY wants their best "bang for their buck" deals.
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When has it become wrong to make profit off something? I am trying to come up with thousands of dollars in hospital bills and trying to support my family at the same time and lasers are my main breadwinner. I am doing anything I can to make money. If it wasn't for selling this type of stuff from time to time and running YouTube videos I'd be SOL. Please understand where I am coming from here, I am 19 and driving a POS car, trying to save for college, and paying a lot of bills and I'm not getting anywhere. I apologize for hiding my sources but I gotta cover my ass here.
I think it's still an unfortunate decision to not share a source with the community, if that's a source that could be saving other people a lot of money. I feel for you, but I also know that other people are in tough spots too. Or at the very least, everyone could stand to benefit from knowledge of sources for laser gear that could save them money. The two things are not incompatible - you can share information, and still make money to pay for your bills. I just see no reason not to help out others, who may be spending 50% more than they need to, buying from non-optimal (price wise) sources.

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Come on guys... he took the risk, found a source and now wants to profit from it in the short term.

It's not like he's trying to make a huge profit off of it either.

Perhaps Spyro shouldn't have mentioned anything about a source at all, but there is no reason to crucify him for secrecy or to call him a douche.

Frankly I would expect more maturity from some of you.

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I thought that too, but look closely and it says > 0.05mrad.

Could be anything.

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I honestly don't trust it. It looks too "shady" for me... And also, why would styro buy it for $800+ Shipping then make some profit selling it for about half?
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Am I wrong or is styro not offering a great deal here? 110mW 473 for $400 seems like a good price to me.... Looks like the guy is trying to sell a laser to pay the bills. Damn guys get off his ass. If you find his "source" more power to you but don't flame the guy who's trying his best to take care of himself.

Have any of you ever been between a rock and a hard spot? Had too many bills too pay and not enough money? If so you know it sucks an need all the help you can get. If not then lucky you but do NOT flame him for what he's doing. He's not being greedy, he's trying to make due.

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I'm not trying to by any means, I feel bad for the guy and I'd buy some of his stuff in a heartbeat if I had the money myself. I apologize if my searching for a source made it look like that
And yes, $400 for a 110mW 473nm handheld is just unheard of. It's a great find
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Am I wrong or is styro not offering a great deal here? 110mW 473 for $400 seems like a good price to me.... Looks like the guy is trying to sell a laser to pay the bills. Damn guys get off his ass. If you find his "source" more power to you but don't flame the guy who's trying his best to take care of himself.

Have any of you ever been between a rock and a hard spot? Had too many bills too pay and not enough money? If so you know it sucks an need all the help you can get. If not then lucky you but do NOT flame him for what he's doing. He's not being greedy, he's trying to make due.

I'm disappointed in anyone flaming styro on this sale
In fairness, I don't think anyone was flaming him, except perhaps me So don't get angry at any of the other posters in this thread Jake.

To be honest, I'm still a little ticked at the whole "460nm" labbies, with the secret hidden source that he wouldn't disclose, which turned out not to be 460nm in the end. I feel like open disclosure might have avoided that mistake, and more importantly would help members of this forum avoid whomever the seller that Styro got those fake "460nm" labbies from in the future. As it stands, we have no way to know who "mistakenly" sold Styro those "460nm" labbies, and thus have no way to make sure that the rest of us don't send that company our money in the future. Someone pumped a bunch of falsely spec'd labbies into our community, and because of secrecy, we don't know who.

It's the same reason I'm still a bit ticked at Ablaze for his "470nm" diode, with the super secret source he wouldn't disclose, that of course, in the end, turned out not to be 470nm. If we keep this kind of stuff secret, we share with the community very few of the potential benefits, and often most of the negatives.

Though in this case, this is an awesome deal. $400 for an 80mW 473nm is a steel. I probably shouldn't have let residual-bad-taste from another scenario colour my comments here. Nothing I've said should detract from the reality that someone is going to get an amazing laser here, for a great price, from StyroPyro. I'm sure Styro will sell this in a heartbeat.

I still stand by my perspective that he can share his source, without compromising his ability to make money. These two things are not mutually exclusive. So power to him - just do both.
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There is a big difference between trying to support your family/pay your bills, and buying a laser (something you really don't need). Suggesting that others are in a "tough spot" too... really doesn't apply here. We all have to eat, clothes ourselves and live somewhere (as well as our family). But none of us have to purchase a new 473.

What is your interest in these lasers? Couldn't you just buy one for yourself from Styro? It's not like he isn't offering a great deal as it is. Or were you possibly hoping to profit from it as well.


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Neither. I neither need a 473nm, nor have any view or method for profiting from them in any way. In a more general sense, my interest in the source is two-fold:

1) I would like to know what his source is (for the "460nm") simply to avoid them myself in the future.

2) I would like everyone to know what this source for the 473nm is, because it could be useful for those interested in purchasing almost anything else (depending on what the source is). Maybe someone wants a 589nm, Styro isn't selling one, and this "source" could save them from spending an extra few $100 bucks they didn't need to spend.

That's it - I've got no interest of a personal nature - and I'm not even among the group of people I described in #2. I'm not looking for a 473/589/593. It's a principled thing - if this source could help everyone on the forum save some money, I would feel it the most ethical course of action to disclose it, absent some sort of overriding directive not to (like an instruction from the source, etc).

That's all. And hey, an equally awesome approach would be for Styro to go all-in, and start offering members here a full lineup of whatever this source has. I have no issue with Styro making some money, marking up a greatly discounted product. That's cool too. As long as the forum gets the benefit, there's no reason he can't make some money in the process. I'm not anti-capitalism.
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^That sounds very reasonable... thanks for the explaination.

Cool.

You know with CNI no longer shipping portables to the US, I'm guessing that Glenn won't do another CNI groupbuy. So we actually need another source for CNI lasers.

And when I say "we", I really mean it. In fact, I mean "you", more than I even mean "me", because I'm in Canada and CNI still ships to me. I'd grab anything I wanted in the future from CNI directly anyway. But for everyone in the US, that isn't an option. So maybe this really is an opportunity for StyroPyro.
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I still stand by my perspective that [B
he can share his source, without compromising his ability to make money[/B]. These two things are not mutually exclusive. So power to him - just do both.

one can judge from their perspective or another's. it's still wrong either way.
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one can judge from their perspective or another's. it's still wrong either way.
As an adage or a proverb, that's fundamentally flawed. Animals judge constantly. It's how our brains work. It's fundamental to life and the way we think. When people encourage others "not to judge", it's a simplistic saying that runs contrary to the way we function.

Jdging is how life works. Every decision is a judgement. Whether its judging a situation, someone's character, the odds of an event happening, your risk at a particular juncture, etc, "judging" is critical to the human experience. While it's cute that some people have taken the perspective that life would be better without judgement, it's also ridiculous

That was totally jumping the shark, thread-wise.
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