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It should be fairly simple. Take the retaining ring off , carefully pull out the heatsink, should be a big ol p3 hooked to the back of the heatsink, since he copied jays build. Unless he thermally adhered the heatsink to the host. Which I'm sure he did, since he is a mechanical/electronical genius


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I'll never understand how you can steal a non-copyrighted, unpatented, design posted on a free public forum open to the whole world. By all laws its not considered stealing. It may be immoral, but you guys have no right to call it stealing. If you dont want your unprotected designs stolen, then dont post them. This is the reason I dont post my projects, and designs.

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Considering a copyright application costs around the same money as the sale of one heat sink, you'd think you'd protect yourself better. Then you would not have to worry about things like this popping up in the future.

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Im sry to say it but you are wrong. Because a design is posted in a public forum does not make it public domain. I am a software developer and if I post some of my code online I still have the intellectual copyright without me ever having to fill any sort of apllication or form. On the other hand I have to state that it is my intellectual property and the terms for usage for it. So in short just because something is posted public doenst mean all can use it as their own work. When using other products and combining them in a new manner the case might be different. But you can not generalize something to not have copyright just because it is posted in a public forum. Usually there is also a distinction between using something personal and commercial. When we are talking about a physical product it might be different ie. Patent etc. Look at a schematic for a laser driver. This will always be copyrighted no matter what, to the person who developed it, unless ofc the developer explicitly states otherwise. The components used are not however.



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Im sry to say it but you are wrong.
I dont know about your country, but by US law I am not wrong. If his designs are not protected by patent, and are posted on a public forum, anyone can copy it. And there is nothing he can do to stop it. Other than filling a patent, or at least a copyrighted diagram of the design.

Edit: Sorry I am wrong in one aspect. His designs need to be patented, not copyrighted. Copyrighting his design may make no difference.

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Again a bit wrong m8. This is directly copied and pasted from the U.S Copyright Office:

What is copyright?
Copyright is a form of protection grounded in the U.S. Constitution and granted by law for original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Copyright covers both published and unpublished works.

What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."

How is a copyright different from a patent or a trademark?
Copyright protects original works of authorship, while a patent protects inventions or discoveries. Ideas and discoveries are not protected by the copyright law, although the way in which they are expressed may be. A trademark protects words, phrases, symbols, or designs identifying the source of the goods or services of one party and distinguishing them from those of others.

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Why should I register my work if copyright protection is automatic?
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What I read from this is that products have to have a patent, but on intellectual things like software, schematics etc the copyright is present at all time whether or not a formal copyright form has been filled - which is not needed for the copyright to have effect.
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What I read from this is that products have to have a patent, but on intellectual things like software, schematics etc the copyright is present at all time whether or not a formal copyright form has been filled - which is not needed for the copyright to have effect.
You're making yourself look stupid. No one is talking about software, schematics, ect. We are talking about PRODUCTS, which need a patent. Which is what I just typed.

Man, learn to quit while your ahead. I just said I was wrong about the copyright. WTF?

Look, bottom line its a shitty thing to do, and I agree. But thats only opinion. And in the real world everyone does not share the same opinion, and crying about it does not change that fact. The fact is , by law, its not considered theft, period. End of story. I dont why people keep arguing it is.

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Ok so you obviously cant discuss without going to the red field. What I read from your post was a generalization on the term copyright. Im not trying to pull you down or anything and as i stated in my first post it might be different when it comes to products ie. patents etc. I guess you didnt read my post. However since you are a sensitive man I will discuss this no further. QQ
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Its not just you. This issue has been discussed many times already, and I'm tired of seeing it. Either patent the design, or STFU. These "interpretations" of law, and ethics are getting old.
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Still dont go balistic m8, its just a discussion. So terms like looking stupid is not very constructive. As I said im not trying to make you look stupid and I am sorry if i offended you in any way, that was not my intention.
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I loose my cool sometimes too, and I apologize.

We are all hobbyist here, and its good to have competition. This helps the whole community by giving us more choices, and possibly cheaper products. Who doesnt want cheaper products? Yes some may not give the service Jay, and others do, but at least we have a choice. In the long run it brings more people into the hobby. Its not right to jump down another sellers throat because they didnt protect their product. We do live in a Capitalist society last I checked. I like Jay, Pyro, Matt, ect, its not personal, its business.

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