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I am going to send it back to him *directly, tomorrow with sig confirmation for a full refund.
That's a much better choice in my opinion.


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I like his prices , i dont mind that he cant spell, i just wish the laser would have lasted.. i honestly liked it very much..


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In that case, why don't you you let him repair it?
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ill fix it...... all u have to do is send it to me it will only take few days to send it back
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thats the chance *we all take with diy units thats why i don't sell them anymore
not that i really did anyways just to friends at work ,and this one guy no names kept having his units fail like 4 times so i just refunded his money *:-/ :-/ :-/
they're tricky and fail for probibly over driving them a bit ,there is a few builders left that offer a warranty - but that can always come back to bite them in the a$$ later


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This is why I put little 'tells' in my builds.. Any tampering and your paying for the repair. I warranty all my stuff, but if theres any funny business....

I have had people on ebay buy from me, over drive, and admit to it. These people get free repair simply because they are honest. The ones that screw things up, and try to pull the wool over my eyes (which is more common than the honest people) are the ones who pay for my time, parts and shipping.

Tampering before or after the laser stops working makes no difference. How is the seller supposed to know when it took place? You open it, you own it, period.

In this case Dave tested the laser for mA consumption, and output. The numbers seem to be within a reasonable range, and that something took place that is not being said. The question is what caused the failure :-X
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Is it just me or did the commotion and attention here has been used by the TS to raise the price from 220$ to 240$ for a set? *:-?

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well i learned my lesson , i paid more for Jayrobs pocket mini set and they are still going strong. I purchased modules from Daguin and they still work.

it really doesnt matter but i had 4 kids and my wife with me when it died, so i have witnesses that saw it just go dim or no reason.

i'll just need to purchase from respected sellers only.


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i dont really care i even sent the laser to a middle man and the test went great and then he brakes it and now im the bad one


Daugin is a respected man on here im sure he noes how to test a laser.... and he pm'd me saying the laser worked...another thing is *Arenared even picked it up so it could not been damaged through the mail *:
I guess that's the problem with DIY builds. *I had a laser done by a well known member here who truly knows his stuff...well, it worked for about a total of 4 mins and then it just died...yet it was working perfectly when it was sent out and wasn't even being close to overdriven (it was a 6x at about 170mA). *

You are the perfect example Jake of why selling complete builds will end up biting you in the butt unless you are prepared to replace, and possibly lose money on, a lot of randomly dead diodes. * I can completely understand why so many people here don't like [s]doing[/s] selling complete builds.
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[quote author=jake21 link=1240004725/0#31 date=1240150727]i dont really care i even sent the laser to a middle man and the test went great and then he brakes it and now im the bad one


Daugin is a respected man on here im sure he noes how to test a laser.... and he pm'd me saying the laser worked...another thing is *Arenared even picked it up so it could not been damaged through the mail *:
I guess that's the problem with DIY builds. *I had a laser done by a well known member here who truly knows his stuff...well, it worked for about a total of 4 mins and then it just died...yet it was working perfectly when it was sent out and wasn't even being close to overdriven (it was a 6x at about 170mA). *

You are the perfect example Jake of why selling complete builds will end up biting you in the butt unless you are prepared to replace, and possibly lose money on, a lot of randomly dead diodes. * I can completely understand why so many people here don't like doing complete builds. [/quote]

But Jake already said he was willing to replace the diode, in this case.

Jake has had some issues in the past, but in this case, with the details given, I think Jake is in the right on this one. There was a middle man who tested it, the laser has been tampered with (before or after the fact doesn't really matter in my book, which most people seem to agree), and Jake offered to repair it anyway.

But now Arenared is shipping it back and getting a refund apparently, so it's apparently over and done now.
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[quote author=leukoplast link=1240004725/32#56 date=1240159734][quote author=jake21 link=1240004725/0#31 date=1240150727]i dont really care i even sent the laser to a middle man and the test went great and then he brakes it and now im the bad one


Daugin is a respected man on here im sure he noes how to test a laser.... and he pm'd me saying the laser worked...another thing is *Arenared even picked it up so it could not been damaged through the mail *:
I guess that's the problem with DIY builds. *I had a laser done by a well known member here who truly knows his stuff...well, it worked for about a total of 4 mins and then it just died...yet it was working perfectly when it was sent out and wasn't even being close to overdriven (it was a 6x at about 170mA). *

You are the perfect example Jake of why selling complete builds will end up biting you in the butt unless you are prepared to replace, and possibly lose money on, a lot of randomly dead diodes. * I can completely understand why so many people here don't like doing complete builds. [/quote]

But Jake already said he was willing to replace the diode, in this case.

Jake has had some issues in the past, but in this case, with the details given, I think Jake is in the right on this one. *There was a middle man who tested it, the laser has been tampered with (before or after the fact doesn't really matter in my book, which most people seem to agree), and Jake offered to repair it anyway.

But now Arenared is shipping it back and getting a refund apparently, so it's apparently over and done now.[/quote]


the unfortunate thing is that it took alot of arguing and fighting to get to this ...

maybe i shouldnt have opened the top after it broke , but then again , it shouldnt have broke. by the way this is a kryrton , the top unscrews and there are no loose wires to twist . by opening to look at it nothing should break.


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Tampering before or after the laser stops working makes no difference. How is the seller supposed to know when it took place? You open it, you own it, period.
I played part in a similar experience recently where a BR I received (in perfect working condition) went "LED" soon after I got it. Being used to cheesy Chinese LED flashlight hosts and their tendency to have poor contact between the housing parts lead me to unscrew, visually inspect and re-screw the host parts, just to make sure it wasn't a contact problem. Since I had the host open, I took the opportunity to photograph the internal components.

I of course informed the builder that I had unscrewed / re-screwed the host to verify contact-quality. He didn't seemed surprised (or upset) and it didn't occur to me that it would be a problem to unscrew the host... .

Being the nice guy that he is, he replaced the diode for free ( 8-)) and even paid for registered shipping ( ). Being the the nice guy that I am, I paid for half of the costs anyways ( ).

But, getting back to the point at hand, you are suggesting that I broke the rules by opening the host; but don't you think a respectable buyer is responsible enough to carefully check for good contact w/o breaking something? What would you have suggested?
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Im sorry but if it was working when it was sent it could be ANYTHING wrong with it, shipping mishandling, ESD, anything.
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well since its my fault it broke im replacing it plus more so i dont get charged back by *Arenared :

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I played part in a similar experience recently where a BR I received (in perfect working condition) went "LED" soon after I got it. Being used to cheesy Chinese LED flashlight hosts and their tendency to have poor contact between the housing parts lead me to unscrew, visually inspect and re-screw the host parts, just to make sure it wasn't a contact problem. Since I had the host open, I took the opportunity to photograph the internal components.

I of course informed the builder that I had unscrewed / re-screwed the host to verify contact-quality. He didn't seemed surprised (or upset) and it didn't occur to me that it would be a problem to unscrew the host... .

Being the nice guy that he is, he replaced the diode for free ( 8-)) and even paid for registered shipping ( ). Being the the nice guy that I am, I paid for half of the costs anyways ( ).

But, getting back to the point at hand, you are suggesting that I broke the rules by opening the host; but don't you think a respectable buyer is responsible enough to carefully check for good contact w/o breaking something? What would you have suggested?
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If you want warranty work, you return it untouched.. There are too many times where tampering is the cause of failure, and if you open it there is no way to prove otherwise.

Depending on the laser in question and its points of access, would be different for your case vs something that I may sell. If your laser stops working, you should first talk to the seller. If he has no problem with it, than fine. You could just as easily test the current draw between the battery and host. If the driver is pulling current at full value then chances are the diode is dead.

If I get a return with obvious signs of tampering, why should I cover the cost? If I sell a laser to someone, and by chance it stops working completely, I would expect an email and would guide them through a simple test with a DMM. If they do not have a DMM, than ship it back untouched. If the fault is found to be on my end, I would have no problem with covering the costs of shipping, parts and labour, and have covered these costs in the past.

If there are signs of tampering however, how do I know that this wasnt the cause? When I sell anything, 98% of the time it is to absolute strangers. This being the case, I trust none of them..

I had a buyer on ebay contact me last week as an example.. He purchased a module from me and all was fine. 2 weeks after the purchase he sends me an email stating that out of nowhere the laser "started to dim, then it popped releasing a puff of smoke".

This particular module uses 2 tantalum caps and an lm317. Now out of 100 or so of these that ive sold, in the exact same config, this was the first time I had this type of complaint. Also I test all of these before shipping anything.

So he sends me pic's of the internals, which I have no problem with as I sell these as bare DIY modules. Well in the pic, the tant. cap on the input was completely blown apart and the board was black :-?

This of course is impossible in the fashion he described the incident.. To do this would have required reversing the polarity, and from a source with decent current.

So now my thoughts.. He gave the module more than the recomended voltage, blew the diode, and in a lame attempt tried to cover his tracks by roasting the board > To top it off, tried to blame my board..And because im not an a$$, im still going to fix it for free. I simply told him that reversing the polarity would not be covered a second time. To which he did not insist that the diode just "blew up" during normal operation... Wonder why.. :P

I have had other buyers screw up and push the diodes with too much voltage which ups the current, but were honest... It just sucks having to decipher who is lying and who is not.

I sell to make money, not to pay for other peoples mistakes. This is why I say, if it breaks, just send it back and let me determine why it failed, if not dont be surprised if you have to foot the bill
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well said...... thats why i used Daugin as a middle man for proof it was well working before i got the payment and before he got the goods.
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