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LOL at the last tag

Selling a bridge!

But yes, never put the word "laser" in a paypal transaction

U can put 1.4W 445, but do not put laser anywhere
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Interesting - I didn't completely understand the implications of sending PP as a gift. I often do that with people on LPF to save them the PP fees. Conversely, I've asked people to send payments as gifts - or rather at least offered them the option of taking the fee value off their purchase price if they send as a gift. This is good to know - and kind of makes me feel like a schmuck for suggesting payments as a gift in the first place.

Question though - is it actually ok for us to be writing descriptions of items like 1W 445s, that wouldn't be allowed on sites like eBay? I thought paypal was iffy about that too?
I tend to keep the descriptions somewhat vauge for just that reason. I have no idea if what we buy and sale is actually allowed under paypal.

For instance, I might put "waterproof green", or "custom 405" in the descriptions, but I usually don't use the word laser.



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So, my follow-up question:

If we're not describing items as lasers, and if paypal (potentially) doesn't want their service used for lasers, then could someone really successfully dispute a laser payment considering:

1) That person hadn't fully described the item as what it was supposed to be.
2) That person wouldn't want to, in the process of a potential dispute, explain to paypal what they were supposed to receive.

It strikes me that perhaps the only thing we could dispute, would be a flat-out non-shipment, where no proof of tracking was provided. That's still better than nothing granted.
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No, paypal doesn't want their service being used for illegal lasers, so technically I feel you would have no recourse if somebody ripped you off, because they don't support the sale of illegal lasers anyways.
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Question though - is it actually ok for us to be writing descriptions of items like 1W 445s, that wouldn't be allowed on sites like eBay? I thought paypal was iffy about that too?
I was going to post the same thing. I have no problem doing that for longtime known reputable sellers but no way in hell would I do it for someone who I've never seen selling things or one with low posts/rep.

Still a very good tip for dealing with new sellers.



One other thing about sending money if you're in the US and you plan on sending a money order I highly recommending using a USPS MO. If the seller ends up defrauding you it becomes mail fraud which is a felony and not taken lightly by postal inspectors and investigators.
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One other thing about sending money if you're in the US and you plan on sending a money order I highly recommending using a USPS MO. If the seller ends up defrauding you it becomes mail fraud which is a felony and not taken lightly by postal inspectors and investigators.
Wouldn't it still be mail fraud if it was a bank money order? I thought the US had some funky law about any crime that is committed with use of the postal system constituting mail fraud.
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I think that's also true but I know it is when a USPS MO is involved.
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Instead of "laser", use the words "coherent light emitter" ..... it's technically correct, and it's the truth, so noone can claim you are mislabeling the package
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Um...I wrote Postal Money Order in the rule. Using a Postal Money Order makes it a felony if I'm not mistaken.

Either way, the point is to not send cash.

About adding laser for a description. Paypal only cares about importation of >5mW lasers. You can sell/buy >5mW at a hobbyist level. They are legal to use in your house. When people start selling dozens, and dozens of lasers, only then does it become an issue. So if its only a one time deal I dont see any issues adding what you bought to the description..
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And it's also not a good idea to put large diamond in the description, unless you are sending a $20.00 laser with $200.00 insurance.

Oh, and yeah this was a great heads up!
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I wouldnt buy any laser from a guy on FB. We have some of the best laser builders here, and we can also give you a recommendation to buy the laser you're looking for. We need to know what you want, and how much do you want to spend. And please dont say you want a high power laser for $30, because they dont exist.

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