405nm 100mw - 150mw 3v module

i know that it has to be done and i understand. iv been there and had it done to me it just sucks because i am just trying to get going and this all happens but i have asked jayrob to do a review so the review is coming i just have to ship it to him.

purplefrogger7 said:

i know that it has to be done and i understand. iv been there and had it done to me it just sucks because i am just trying to get going and this all happens but i have asked jayrob to do a review so the review is coming i just have to ship it to him.

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You are running into two problems with this effort.

First, you are trying to duplicate the marketing , but you have a different product. That is rarely effective. You can duplicate the business model, but you cannot duplicate the marketing.

Second, your market research for this market is poor. We put modules like yours together (without the switch) for ~$35-$40. We cannot "build" our own green modules (yet) so the green work here. However, we can build the bluray or red modules so they must be very inexpensive here.

Peace,
dave

daguin said:

we can build the bluray or red modules so they must be very inexpensive here.

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Also kendall at High Tech DealZ, Simplifying the LASER Hobby! sell phr/rckstr modules for 59$ a piece so i think he will have to bump the price down quite a bit before even less experienced members like myself on this forum will be interested.

stuart

He is paying alot for these modules and me nor him did not realize how easy it is for your guys to build them or how cheap it is for you guys to build them.
He is thinking of having me returning the modules for him and i threw out the idea of going with 200mw (10% tolerance) red laser modules but as you already said those you can build yourself as well and his prices would probably be about $70 per module.
Being that i have the green covered he really has no market options to sell lasers.
If you guys have any ideas im sure he would apreaciate it, i myself want to see him get into something like i have been doing to a few years now. Its something to do when you at home instead of flipping through the chanels
Im sorry to respond to his messages he just doesnt have as much time available to him on the computer, and i also have a phone to get on the net with as he does not.
Good luck shaun i hope something works out one way or another.

thanks you guys for your advice and i am now seeing that i jumped into something that wasnt going anywhere from the start. i am still going to keep looking around for something to get into i just dont know yet what its going to be. and if you guys have any ideas as craig said i would much appreciate it.

Not to sound sarcastic, but, why would we give you an idea to make money off of us LOL? If someone had that idea, they would already be doing it.

The only way you can make money here is to actually build something we can use, and make it competitively priced. Jayrob is a good example. He creates stuff that mostly no one else creates, and stuff we can use.

maybe you could sell red 200mw and blue 100mw with the drivers on, but for less like $40 maybe. That way you would make more sales with the lower price and most noobs don't want to kill there diode from soldering. :beer:
good luck,
toogoofy

Do not believe people always,but we watch out someone always and statement should be made on the basis of fact.

yotanglaser said:

Do not believe people always,but we watch out someone always and statement should be made on the basis of fact.

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Yeah!

Peace,
dave

yotanglaser said:

Do not believe people always,but we watch out someone always and statement should be made on the basis of fact.

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I think that's a pot calling the kettle black, or an oxymoron, or maybe just a moron. :thinking:

Tech_Junkie said:

Not to sound sarcastic, but, why would we give you an idea to make money off of us LOL? If someone had that idea, they would already be doing it.

The only way you can make money here is to actually build something we can use, and make it competitively priced. Jayrob is a good example. He creates stuff that mostly no one else creates, and stuff we can use.

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Having an idea and having the means to fullfill that idea are not the same. Building hosts for the lasers was a great idea, but not everyone can do that. Obviously Jayrob was able to fill that role, but I am sure he was not the first too look at a flashlight and say "hey, that would make a cool looking laser".

I think you could simply rephrase his question as... "What could you guys use, that you don't already have"


Something I have been thinking about but don't have the means to create would be an actively cooled host, not using a TEC.

For example, simply using a finned heatsink instead of a solid heatsink, with a fan behind it inside the module that simply pushed air across the fins, allowing for a much cheaper(cost, and power consumption), albiet less effective, cooling method allowing you to get even more out of your laser modules.

The heatsinks are all about heat dissipation, right now with the solid heatsink designs it works but it is far from efficient. If they had some way to create airflow within the module through the fins of a heatsink you could drastically increase your cooling capacity for a portable module by only having to power a fan which has very lower power requirements compared to a TEC module which has rediculous power requirements.

You would have to have input air vents (probably in the tailcap) and output vents (probably at or near the front lens), but you wouldn't have to push all that much air through for it to be effective.

Downsides are obviously space, and the additional power draw. You also have to run wires past the fan to the Diode though there are several possibilities for accomplishing that.

Needless to say that all still requires time, effort, and ability to draft, test, and produce a product that would meet those needs. But if this host would allow a powerful constant-on portable laser without a duty-cycle required I suspect you might have some members interested at reasonable prices. This in its self isn't a ground breaking idea by any means, but simply improving upon already existing and functional products. In fact I am positive this isn't even a new or unique idea, but I also haven't really seen anyone introduce products for this yet either.

If he could develop such a product it would give him a niche market to work with where he would not be competing with anyone else here as far as I know (granted I'm fairly new). This particular product I see being most viable for all of the beastly 445nm 1w blue lasers running around there right now. Lasers like the S3 artic handle the cooling by simply creating a massively huge laser with a huge heatsink, but if you could actively cool you should be able to get away with a much smaller host and still have a constant-on duty cycle.

With respect, the OP has probably either come up with a new idea, and run with it, or has given up entirely as it was 5 months ago.

However, now you've brought the subject up of active cooling using a fan... I, and I'm sure many others too, have thought about this particular avenue. Personally I have come to the conclusion that the amount of additional room to be found in a host to be able to add this would easily make it able to dissipate heat more effectively, rendering it a useless addition. I see your point, and it's relevant but to reiterate, the host big enough to house the active cooling would probably be big enough not to need it. Although we're always looking for a, 'no duty-cycle', use handheld, it'll never be likely to be needed as a, 'no duty-cycle', handheld.

Nice thought though.

M

Hey Morgan I ran across some incredibly small (0.5"x0.5"x0.25") dc fans a while back, and I was going to try an locate the source. Think They might prove useful in a portable host?

I would still maintain the extra space required would make the host big enough to dissipate the heat well enough. Having said that, those ARE small. If you find the source then I'd appreciate a link. They'd be worth looking at.

The other factor unfortunately would be cost. It's another layer of build you'd have to charge for. I'm sure there are those that'd pay but a much smaller market perhaps.

Still, I look forward to your search results as I could use something like that for a bigger, but more cramped build that will definitely get too hot at present!

M

Rather than further necroposting perhaps this deserves its own thread-- i did, however, find a slightly larger fan for less than 3$ -- its 20mm square. fits inside the Meatball mini macro labby project perfectly(stinger host)

I'll see what I can dig up next week. I found them in CNC controllers, and I like You hope that the cost won't put Them out of Our reach. I'll PM You with the results next week as this thread might not be the best place to discuss this.
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