New 8x Blu-Ray burner?!

daguin said:

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That article is dated March 2008.  Things have changed since then

Peace,
dave

So i'm behind the curve a bit.  

At least two companies have already released an 8X burner

Peace,
dave





I have seen them Dave, but are they in fact using 8X diodes or using 6X and skewing the numbers?
Ray

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It's going to cost someone at least $200 to take a chance on answering that question

Peace,
dave[/quote]



You?  

daguin said:

[quote author=Raybo link=1235584363/0#14 date=1235854917]
That article is dated March 2008.  Things have changed since then

Peace,
dave

So i'm behind the curve a bit.  

At least two companies have already released an 8X burner

Peace,
dave

I have seen them Dave, but are they in fact using 8X diodes or using 6X and skewing the numbers?
Ray

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It's going to cost someone at least $200 to take a chance on answering that question

Peace,
dave[/quote]

Not if you return it as "defective"

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I have seen them Dave, but are they in fact using 8X diodes or using 6X and skewing the numbers?
Ray

It's going to cost someone at least $200 to take a chance on answering that question

Peace,
dave

Not if you return it as "defective"

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Maybe, but I would have to look the guy that returned it in the eye EVERY morning and night for the rest of my life :-/

That is nowhere close to being worth $200 to me

Peace,
dave

I don't get it :-?

Dave, im sure you can live with it. Replace diode with a phr ^^

Spyderz20x6 said:

I don't get it :-?

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If I did as suggested, I would be a thief.  I might "get away with it", but I would still know.  I would have to look myself in the eye at least a couple of times a day and see a thief looking back at me, for the rest of my life.  That is not worth $200 to me. My character is worth significantly more to me than money.

@ rangedunits -- No, I couldn't

Peace,
dave

daguin said:

[quote author=Spyderz20x6 link=1235584363/16#19 date=1235863692]I don't get it :-?

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If I did as suggested, I would be a thief.  I might "get away with it", but I would still know.  I would have to look myself in the eye at least a couple of times a day and see a thief looking back at me, for the rest of my life.  That is not worth $200 to me.  My character is worth significantly more to me than money.

@ rangedunits -- No, I couldn't

Peace,
dave[/quote]
Oh, I see.
So they meant taking the diode out and then sending the assembly back?

You certainly have a rigid set of morals and that is certainly worth a lot of respect. Sadly people like you are becoming few and far between. One thing I've noticed however, is that there is a distinct shortage of 6X diodes - nobody seems to be selling any. If 6X units aren't in the affordable and accessible range, what hope is there for a newer and potentially more powerful sled being available?

Also, is it just that I'm not looking in the right places, or are 6X diodes simply unavailable anywhere? LSP, the BST section, and all the GBs are dead, and the major members' shops are all in completed modules with driver that I'd never end up using...

charlie bruce said:

You certainly have a rigid set of morals and that is certainly worth a lot of respect. Sadly people like you are becoming few and far between. One thing I've noticed however, is that there is a distinct shortage of 6X diodes - nobody seems to be selling any. If 6X units aren't in the affordable and accessible range, what hope is there for a newer and potentially more powerful sled being available?

Also, is it just that I'm not looking in the right places, or are 6X diodes simply unavailable anywhere? LSP, the BST section, and all the GBs are dead, and the major members' shops are all in completed modules with driver that I'd never end up using...

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They are available...
If you know where to look, that is...

Obviously I don't know, or at least they're not in any of the shops I frequent. Can you give a clue? Chinese dealer for instance xh? It's just that the cash is literally sitting in my hand right now and I've been banging my head against a wall trying to find a seller... Ideally it'd be for the $56 that LSP will have it for...

charlie bruce said:

Obviously I don't know, or at least they're not in any of the shops I frequent. Can you give a clue? Chinese dealer for instance xh? It's just that the cash is literally sitting in my hand right now and I've been banging my head against a wall trying to find a seller... Ideally it'd be for the $56 that LSP will have it for...

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Well, i can't tell you, and it has nothing to do with the Chinese.
Besides, if you are going to be buying from that source, you have to be willing to buy more than one.

Dave, you must confess to me!





I bet you stole candy when u were a kid!

Then there's no seller selling just 1 or 2 6X diodes currently?

Damn it - how am I going to burn things now :-/
If you find yourself buying one in the near future, can you buy 1 or so extra, and I'll paypal you the difference + shipping?

charlie bruce said:

Then there's no seller selling just 1 or 2 6X diodes currently?

Damn it - how am I going to burn things now  :-/
If you find yourself buying one in the near future, can you buy 1 or so extra, and I'll paypal you the difference + shipping?

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Nope...
BTW, they sell the sleds, not the diodes. So, you have to know how to harvest...

But yes, i'd be glad to buy another extra if you pay the difference + shipping

charlie bruce said:

You certainly have a rigid set of morals and that is certainly worth a lot of respect. Sadly people like you are becoming few and far between. One thing I've noticed however, is that there is a distinct shortage of 6X diodes - nobody seems to be selling any. If 6X units aren't in the affordable and accessible range, what hope is there for a newer and potentially more powerful sled being available?
Also, is it just that I'm not looking in the right places, or are 6X diodes simply unavailable anywhere? LSP, the BST section, and all the GBs are dead, and the major members' shops are all in completed modules with driver that I'd never end up using...

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It's my Momma's fault

I posted some theories and predictions in another thread, but they are worth repeating part of them here.  

There is ONLY ONE reason why the PHR diodes are so plentiful and cheap.  They are from a failed technology (HD DVD).  We started buying them so the Chinese figured out that they were worth money.  Instead of simply sending the entire units to the scrapper (as was planned), they started removing the sleds to sell to us.  I believe we have spurred a "cottage industry" in China around these diodes.  Manufacturers are VERY good at estimating need.  They don't make massive over-production runs.  The 6X will NOT follow the way of the PHR.  They will become more available as "maintenance and repair" supplies are produced, but never the way the PHR's are.  The 6X's are NOT part of a failed technology.  They are simply a step in an orderly progression from one strength of diode to the next. (i.e. The 8X's are ready, but they didn't want to release them until the stock of existing 6X's was drawn down enough)

The first couple of batches of 6X's that made it out were all QC rejects.  We may have already dug deeply into the supply of them.  Also, the 6X sleds are running around $55 apiece!  The PHR's are running about $7.50 apiece.  Buying 50 6X ($2,750) sleds is a bit harder on the budget than buying 50 PHR's ($375)  

In order to make a store viable, the price of a sled should be at least two times the cost.  With the plethora of $12 PHR sleds, how many people would be willing to pay $110 for a 6X sled?  I have people PM'ing me saying that $180 for a completed 6X laser is just too much to pay.  I invite them to get their own sled, driver, and host and I will help them build their own.  In order to make back the needed profit to remain solvent, the only way to do it is to make a finished product.

$60 diode
$25 driver
$5 module
$8 battery
$25 heat sink
$25 host (or $50 plain Kryton; or $70 custom anodized Kryton)
$7 PayPal fees
$13 postage
$2 packaging

Total cost to me = $145 (or $170 plain Kryton, or $190 custom anodized Kryton)

PLUS 3% to cover necessary warranty work = ($150; $175; $196)

Add a carrying case and/or a charger (another $20) = ($170; $195; $216)

At this point, I still haven't made a dime!  So at just twice the cost of building a laser, they should cost $240; $390; & $432

Peace,
dave

[highlight]@ Rangedunits[/highlight] -- I "shoplifted" a bottle of cheap wine when I was 14.  I drank it and got sick.  I still remember it.  I started mowing lawns when I was 10.  I had my first paper route when I was 11.  By 12 I was going door-to-door selling subscriptions to the LA Times.  At 14 I had my first hourly job.  By 17 I was in the Air Force.

I even return excess change to the checkout person.

Having an hourly job at 14 is really cool. In fact, a couple of friends and I are doing a little bit of amateur web design/hosting/marketing, and splitting profits, so that should actually mean I will have more than "pocket money" to spend on lasers. If the idea actually makes money I might get a "company" phone before too long as well (I've always wanted an iPhone and it's a perfect excuse to buy one!)

@ Dave: Your economic model is likely to be right. Has anyone ever contacted a drive manufacture and asked them about the possibility of them adding extra diodes to a production run and selling diodes directly to us? Seems like the best position in the "food chain" of getting the diodes cheaply, since it runs little extra expense to them, and they can take a cut of the profit. I doubt they'd do that though, in case we were a rival manufacturer, or if the diode manuf. only did runs of say 1000 and we only offered to buy 250 of them. Could be interesting to give it a go anyway...

@ Spyderz, just PM me maybe a day or 2 before you're going to place an order, I'd be happy to buy a diode or possibly 2. I can do extraction, as long as I have a picture of where the diode is inside the sled (I'd hate to cook the Red diode by accident, thinking it was violet). Do you know what price range that'd be in (is it the $56 deal) , and the minimum quantities that your supplier (and indeed, suppliers in general) sell in? Just in case I ever decide to set up a shop (not in the near future, but maybe at some time in the blu-ray "era").

Thanks for your assistance.