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My first blu-ray pointer dead already??

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Heyas. New on forums and w00t for my first post.

Okay, here's the thing. I recently got a PHR-803T sled and decided to build a blu-ray pointer out of it. I carefully extracted the blu-ray diode by following some tutorials on i-hacked. The hardest part was removing the cooler box around it. Anyway, I managed to extract the diode and install it into one of those metal housing, I think they're called aixiz. The housing was originally made for a <5 mW red laser. After installation I soldered two wires to the positive and negative pins, added some insulation tape and and closed the case.

The next day I proceeded to test it. I have a small DC power supply with options for constant current and constant voltage. I powered on the power supply, set the options to constant voltage, and set the voltage to zero. Next I carefully attached the diode wires to the power supply and added an extra milliampere meter in between. Slowly increasing the voltage, the laser began to shine at about 3.8 volts. While previously doing a bit of research on these forums, and some other websites, I found out that a safe current for this blu-ray diode should be about 120mA. Although mine never went past 100mA, I did reach this current at about 5.0 volts. The laser was shining very brightly. Afterwards I reduced the voltage to reach the current at about 85 mA, which was the current I used through the rest of the tests. I noticed that the ray was a bit divergent, and couldn't be properly focused with the current lens, most likely because the lens were made for a different wavelength. But that was okay for my first time.

I mounted the diode on my window and pointed it towards nearby hills, away from people, vehicles, aircraft (duh). This is how I left it for about two and a half hours. The current was about the same all the time and only changed significantly, should the voltage be adjusted manually. The ray was very visible from the source, but having gone for a walk outside to observe the ray from a distance, it was invisible (air was very clear). The diode casing was not getting hot. After a while I decided it was time to turn off the device. So I slowly reduced the voltage back to zero, unplugged one of the wires from the power supply to break the loop, and then powered off the power supply.

So here's the funny part. Today I decided to give the laser another go. I powered on the power supply, made sure the voltage was set to zero, carefully reconnected the diode wire, and slowly increased the voltage. When I reached the 5.0V barrier (same as yesterday), the current was still about 100mA, but much to my surprise, the laser light output was almost nil! The laser was emitting some white and blue light, but the intensity was not even close to what I've seen yesterday. Actually, it was barely comparable! Almost none. Now this is the part I don't understand. How come the laser worked perfectly yesterday, but doesn't work any more today? How can this be? Can a laser diode degrade in a few hours of inactivity (sounds silly)? I'm pretty sure nobody has touched the laser meanwhile, and I've done just about everything to prevent damaging the diode (slowly changing voltage, not exceeding 100mA, setting voltage to zero before starting or shutting it down, removing the cable before powering on/off the power supply to prevent possible voltage spikes, etc), yet this seems to be exactly what happened. :wtf:

What could have gone wrong? The only thing I can think of is the time I continuously operated the diode yesterday, but it's puzzling since the diode worked fine before being powered off.

~Shat
 





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You almost certainly killed it with ESD (electrostatic discharge.) Laser diodes are very susceptible to this, and it probably happened when you disconnected or connected the wires the last time. Also, bench power supplies don't always have the nice, clean output you expect. You could have had a voltage spike when turning it on.

In the future, use a constant current laser diode driver to power your laser and attach it one time, being careful to short the outputs immediately before hand to ensure there's no stored charge in capacitors waiting to zap your LD upon connection, and leave it connected. Set it and forget it.
 
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Hmm, thanks for the responses. I was originally going to build a driver anyway, but I guess I was too eager to play with the diode and ended up destroying it... too bad, better luck next time I guess. Do you have a particular driver in mind for this type of diode? Possibly one with soft start?

~Shat
 
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my de-canned phr is running at 6.5v and 200ma...

hasn't died YET.

You just got a freak. These are far and few.

There are a couple of drivers available to buy. Or you can make your own. In my sig there is a link to different driver builds.

Drivers are either linear or boost. Linear ones like the Rkcstr driver need at least 9-12V to run properly. The Flexdrive is a boost driver and needs at least 3v I believe. It all depends on your application and wallet. Just search around. There is all kinds of info out there.

Good luck and be safe.
 
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Use a LM317 driver. parts will cost you under 1$. i use the simpliest form showed on this tutorial, but you can always build the "extended" one ;)

It can be done - Laser driver

Yours,
Albert
 
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pictures or it didn't happen !!!

my de-canned phr is running at 6.5v and 200ma...

hasn't died YET.

@ Shatter sounds like ESD to me, if nothing else put a 500kohm resistor across the leads of your diode or a cap if you plan on testing like this again, I test my diodes in this manner but then I use a $400.00 power supply to do this testing with and I work on a sheet of conductive foam that is 2'x3' and grounded and I always short the diodes leads when they are not hooked to the power supply. and have never had one die from ESD.
good luck !
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If you had READ the post, he used a proper power supply. Some of them, however, have startup spikes which causes all the failures I've heard of before in this situation.

Sooooo my statement was correct then... :whistle:
 
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So if a power supply has start up spikes then it is NOT a proper power supply for this work !!! dose his power supply have start up spikes ? if it dose he may need to install a RC network in his power supply to get rid of them !

Pyro...



If you had READ the post, he used a proper power supply. Some of them, however, have startup spikes which causes all the failures I've heard of before in this situation.
 
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Bench power supplies are fine, IF they are clean.

You need to put it on an o-scope or do some other testing to make sure the output is clean (no spikes, etc). We do all our laser diodes testing on bench supplies in voltage-source mode, controlled by LabView, never any problems, but these are expensive, nice units.

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In this case, the diode didn't die the first time, so there was no killer spike, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one the second time. My advice though, it power OFF the supply with the diode connected, not the other way around. With any driver, making and breaking connections should only be done with no energy in the system, or you're asking for trouble. If anything, I'd bet it was ESD or some enrgy in the system during the connect or disconnect steps that killed it.

To be safe, either modify your driver setup, using the bench supply to run a driver circuit, or put your bench supply on an o-scope to make sure you don't get crazy transients on turn-on. If it doesn't spike and can ramp voltage slowly, then it'll be fine for lasers.

Voltage source and current source both work for driving lasers, but current source is recommended on here because it's a lot more lenient and forgiving: a tiny error or change in voltage on your driver is a BIG change in current.
 
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Don't have pictures, but I am using LM317 with 2 10ohm resitors in parallel instead of 1, no pot. It might be even a bit higher then 200ma, since I am measuring with a clip on ampmeter and it shows 0,2. Voltage is precise though and it's 6.53. Diode gets really hot after just a few secods of on time, even with a prper heatsink
 
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We know phr diodes can survive some hours at 200mA, but they will degrade at an insane speed and won't last more than that, two or three hours. You're probably getting up to 200mW, because if you're using a 5 ohm resistor the current is 250mA. That was higher than I ever heard anyway...
 
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Thanks for all the responses. The power supply that burned my first diode is a PS3010 model. I am getting a new laser diode soon, and I hope I won't have to go through the grim experience again. I am definitely going to build a driver before I connect the new diode to any power source. I personally don't mind spending a few more bucks on a decent diode protection, as my experience taught me.

I colleague of mine sent me this link describing a potentially high-quality driver. What do you think of it?

~Shat
 




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