BDR-203 sled @ *****************.com?

FrostyTheDadMan said:

Are You sure Dave, that he is doing it on purpose, and its not a type-o?
After all, He has posted graphs by Dr Lava that shows exactly what you should expect. ( he put a lot of money in that )
Do you have any proof to back your clams of deception?
Or are you jumping to conclusions again? like with pulsing the diodes, you said that it would cut the power in half
when in fact I am getting 330mW out of a 6X without a lens.
isn't that what you were getting with a CW driver and lens?
At least that is what your graph showed. also in the next two months I will be posting all my data here and at LEF showing PHRs running for days at a time at a min 175 mW to 220 mW.
And the wheels on the bus go around and around. so please sit in your set while the bus is moving or you will get a green slip and your Mommy will need to sigh it.
I though you and Steve were friends?

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WOW! Whether I am "friends" with someone or not is irrelevant.

Steve has been told more than once that these are NOT 8X's and that they are NOT "BDR-S03" sleds. The Chinese dealer that sold them LIED about what they were. Steve KNOWS this.

However, instead of selling them for what they are (2X-4X), he continues to: one, use the "BDR-S03" label, two, calls them 8X's, and three, has intentionally placed a disclaimer about output in the description. ALL three of those actions are misleading. In my world, KNOWINGLY misrepresenting the truth is called a lie.

I will admit that I inferred his motivation. I am open to other interpretations of his motivation if you have one. However, it clearly appears to me that it is a simple profit/loss motivation. He is lying to be able to sell these sleds without taking a loss.

Peace,
dave

**EDIT** Here's a suggestion for you. Since you seem to want to believe that it is a "mistake." How about YOU tell him yourself then? Maybe he just didn't know, trust, or believe the rest of us. YOU let him know that you found out that they were neither 8X diodes, NOR from the BDR-S03 drives/sleds. Then, if it is simply a mistake, he can remove all of the deceptive labeling and we can all see that he was simply naive and not lying.

So... all I would like to know is... Is this Graph... made by drlava
a good representation of what we can expect from the "BDR-S03"
named Sleds over at L*E*C... and are they the same ones that
Kendall was selling here on LPF...(I got a few if these):thinking:




Jerry

Not even a GGW will immediately pop at 275mA... Dave's right, this diode never measured up to being even a 6X. No one got good results from them, after Dave tried one. One could get by with it if they treated it like a 4X... but who wants to spend $75 on a 4X sled???

:thinking: Oh I see kinda like
when you told me that My MMD testing was not even a blip on your computer screen because you had to many things going on in your private life.
But you were posting over here and testing things for others here?
Is that not KNOWINGLY misrepresenting the truth?

I mean you only had a window of about what 4 to 5 months to do a 10 minute test?
If you need me to be specific on these points I am sure I can.
Oh did I jump to a conclusion their? I think not?

Let me tell you All Wheels no matter what size, gets stuck in the mud some time.
If some one wants to dwell on one mistake that some one else has made its only to make them self's feel better because they dwell on own mistakes.

daguin said:

In my world, KNOWINGLY misrepresenting the truth is called a lie.

Peace,
dave

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lasersbee said:

So... all I would like to know is... Is this Graph... made by drlava
a good representation of what we can expect from the "BDR-S03"
named Sleds over at L*E*C... and are they the same ones that
Kendall was selling here on LPF...(I got a few if these):thinking:

Jerry

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Are you asking if you can expect them to fail at 275mA? Probably. None (except my first "freak") have survived 300mA.

Can you expect it to run for any acceptable amount of time at 250mA? Probably not. We would need the graph at a higher resolution to see clearly, but there appear to be "kinks" at 85mA, 130mA, 175mA, and 220mA at least. If you place a straight edge on the graph, you can clearly see that the slope of the graph changed at around 150mA.

In order for a violet diode to live a long time, it must be kept below the first kink. The life expectancy diminishes with the crossing of each kink in the graph. When we push a violet diode to failure (as in this graph) we have grossly exceeded the "useful" current input at failure.

The use of this graph (as it is being used in that website) is the same misuse of a test graph that the Chinese are doing with my SF-AW210 test graph. That SF-AW210 graph shows failure at 375mA! However, we all know that the SF-AW210 must be kept below 175mA to live long.

Peace,
dave

**EDIT** @ Frosty -- You are stuck in the past. As soon as it was clear that I could not/would not be able to satisfy your needs, I sent your part back to you unmolested. I'm going to be blunt. You are not important enough in my life for me to explain to you all that was going on in my life at the time. Stay hurt, stay angry, if you choose to, but do it without my input. Live long and prosper. [*ignore]

I am not disagreeing with you.
I have not ever got one because of the graph
All I am saying is the man went the extra mile to inform people just what to expect from that sled no matter what the sled is called.
Ebay has adds that state High Quality, High Power Green Laser and when you look at the specs its only 5 mW, Are they lying, no they are just trying to get your attention.
To be 100% honest these Sleds that we buy are QC rejects because if they were not, then they would be in a working BRDVD burner and that's a fact.

Meatball said:

Not even a GGW will immediately pop at 275mA... Dave's right, this diode never measured up to being even a 6X. No one got good results from them, after Dave tried one. One could get by with it if they treated it like a 4X... but who wants to spend $75 on a 4X sled???

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FrostyTheDadMan said:

I am not disagreeing with you.
I have not ever got one because of the graph
All I am saying is the man went the extra mile to inform people just what to expect from that sled no matter what the sled is called.
Ebay has adds that state High Quality, High Power Green Laser and when you look at the specs its only 5 mW, Are they lying, no they are just trying to get your attention.
To be 100% honest these Sleds that we buy are QC rejects because if they were not, then they would be in a working BRDVD burner and that's a fact.

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http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/possible-8x-sled-hightechdealz-42622.html

Peace,
dave

Well you make it sound like you sent it back on your own accord when I had to request its return. (that's deception)
I am not mad or angry I just think that you can't stand to be proven wrong then why out of all the times I have said hi to you, you have acted like a snob to me. but that only happened after the MMD was sent to you. (you know Time of Truth)
All I was trying to show you is that not every thing is as you perceive it to be. so before you start throwing stones you need to make sure that you don't live in a glass house.

daguin said:

Peace,
dave

**EDIT** @ Frosty -- You are stuck in the past. As soon as it was clear that I could not/would not be able to satisfy your needs, I sent your part back to you unmolested. I'm going to be blunt. You are not important enough in my life for me to explain to you all that was going on in my life at the time. Stay hurt, stay angry, if you choose to, but do it without my input. Live long and prosper. [*ignore]

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FrostyTheDadMan said:

Well you make it sound like you sent it back on your own accord when I had to request its return. (that's deception)
I am not mad or angry I just think that you can't stand to be proven wrong then why out of all the times I have said hi to you, you have acted like a snob to me. but that only happened after the MMD was sent to you. (you know Time of Truth)
All I was trying to show you is that not every thing is as you perceive it to be. so before you start throwing stones you need to make sure that you don't live in a glass house.

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I'm not "making it sound like" anything. I just stated the fact. You are so stuck in this perceived wrong that it permeates almost all interaction with me. This issue of Steve using deceptive labeling and wording to sell at a profit (at the expense of his customers) has absolutely NOTHING to do with our interaction over your driver. And yet, it is now the only thing you are posting about to me.

I am a scientist. I invite being proven wrong. I am frequently proven wrong. I act like a snob to you because you are an aggressive listener and an irritant when you post. I prefer to avoid unimportant irritants.

Peace,
dave

It could be that the manufacture needed to run the hopper out when they changed from 4X to 8X.
but I have a question, what should he call them? want to be 8X, or 8X sleds with 4X diodes?
Their are so many variables that people do not see so its wrong for people to jump to conclusions.

daguin said:

http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/possible-8x-sled-hightechdealz-42622.html

Peace,
dave

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The article CLEARLY calls them 2X. Those sleds were used in June of 2007! There is no possible way that they were recycled or "run out" in 2009 for 8X drives. The optics are completely different. You have completely ignored the changes that were done during the 6X time frame. Many of the sleds themselves show corrosion around the diodes. They are old sleds that have been sitting around for two years.

Peace,
dave

Well now do you feel better? I have been nice until now and Its My turn
As far as the testing the driver goes I only brought that up to make a point.
The point is that unless you have all the facts you make no assumptions a real scientist would know that and lives that!
You are an English professor you are no scientist!
you have no reason to be a snob because you want to be something you are not and your actions are of a pom pass @%$$ Jerk, you think you are above people when in all reality you are nothing but a number just like the rest of us.
OH one last thing here is my prof
your wife told me how you cried like a baby when she kicked you out!
She even told me how you were Kissing her back side trying to make up.
So yes I know everything I need to know that proves you are no better then the rest of us. I only spent about 45 minutes on the phone with her.

daguin said:

I am a scientist. I invite being proven wrong. I am frequently proven wrong. I act like a snob to you because you are an aggressive listener and an irritant when you post. I prefer to avoid unimportant irritants.

Peace,
dave

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Woah Frosty that last part was unnecessary. I understand being angry and upset but leave the personal assaults to private messages. There was no reason for that.

As to what you said about Dave being no scientist, I ask you this. What defines a scientist? One could argue all it takes is an interest in a particular field of science and the willingness to experiment. It's all about perspective.

FrostyTheDadMan said:

Well now do you feel better? I have been nice until now and Its My turn
As far as the testing the driver goes I only brought that up to make a point.
The point is that unless you have all the facts you make no assumptions a real scientist would know that and lives that!
You are an English professor you are no scientist!
you have no reason to be a snob because you want to be something you are not and your actions are of a pom pass @%$$ Jerk, you think you are above people when in all reality you are nothing but a number just like the rest of us.
OH one last thing here is my prof
your wife told me how you cried like a baby when she kicked you out!
She even told me how you were Kissing her back side trying to make up.
So yes I know everything I need to know that proves you are no better then the rest of us. I only spent about 45 minutes on the phone with her.

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You think of yourself as a scientist. Please use a scientific perspective. Scientists do not deal with "possibilities." We deal with "probabilities." It would appear that you probably will not be able to get beyond this. You appear to have gone off the deep end here. The personal attack was completely unwarranted and completely untrue. I will actually be placing you on ignore now. I no longer even care if you have a nice life or not.

Peace,
dave

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Originally Posted by robjdixon2 View Post
Allow me to give some input here. The problem is not the typo. The problem is that the sled ISN'T from an 8x burner. Tests are ongoing at LPF on the real 8x sled - one extracted from an 8x burner, and one has been running at 300mA for >100 hours. Others have been reported to have lived at up to 400mA.

Your diode died at 275mA. Just a bad diode? I think not. Others have had the same problem on LPf. I'll send you some links.

Real 8x test data:
laserpointerforums.com/f38/8x-br-diodes-42806.html
laserpointerforums.com/f38/8x-diode-murder-fund-43993.html

BDR-S03 data:
laserpointerforums.com/f52/possible-8x-sled-hightechdealz-42622.htm
Thanks for reading this. I hope this changes some of the bitterness that you are feeling.

Rob

edit - can i get rid of the ridiculous sounds that come up telling me i have mail?
Thanks for your input robjdixon2.
However I am BANNED form that site.

The 8x designation came from both my supplier and posts from the LPF.
It is my understanding that this 8x used other means to reach 8x speeds and not raw mw of power.
Has anyone found one of these sleds in any player to prove that they are not from a 8x?
and for someone to say
Quote:
Just in case it is not clear -- The sled/diode is NOT an 8X diode. It is at best a 2X-4X diode. The owner in aware of that, but continues to use deceptive info in the hopes of getting his money back at the customer's expense
That is just BULLSHIT!
When that sled became available there where bung hole s claiming I was being deceptive about another diode "The 250mw BluRay" which managed 300mw before failing backed by a plot from a LPF member, yet another lie.

Anyways, it was NEW at the time I put the information as best I knew it in the product title and description. and it has remained that way because I am BANNED from the LPF and I seldom go over there due to the huge amount of useless posts and flame wars they are so famous for.

Therefore I did not know about any confirmed future findings about this sled.
No one sent me an email, PM or posted any actual proof that the 8x designation was incorrect. Instead they post there where I cant see it from my home computer and cannot defend myself what-so ever.

Also knowing that at the time the sled was released, there where people questioning this sled, I was advised by someone at the LPF to at least have a disclaimer, which I added.
Now they are using that very suggestion on using a disclaimer against me?!

I have had customers email me asking about the 8x that I have in my store and I reply... and I quote
Quote:
Subject Re: Message from ***************** LLC Sender SKW Recipient Angelos Gxxxxxxxxxx Date Tue 19:31
hey iam just wondering what hapend to the 8x diode sled???? i wanted
to
purches it today and it wasnt there are you sold out???? please help
i want
it!!!!!!!!!! are you going to get more in please respond as fast as
possible


On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:02 AM, I responded>

I have made some corrections to the items title and made it available
once more.
Please read the items description carefully there are several types of
sleds classified as 8x, this sled as shown by the graph is not as
powerful as other 8x sleds.
Make sure this is the sled you are after before purchasing.

Thanks
Steve
How deceptive was I???
and just so the idiots over there know, I HAVE NOT SOLD ANY OF THEM! so who got screwed? NOBODY!

For those of you at the LPF who think I am being deceptive, put your big boy pants on and post here, email or PM me with the information on the incorrectly described product. Don't hide over at the LPF and slander my good name, by stating what you think I know.
That wont fly in any court, because its bullshit ! If you knew what I actually know about it, and you see just how busy I am you would say, Oh... sorry I understand now.

I don't like being put in a class like the "other" person(s) selling laser sleds over there who constantly keeps posting lie after lie. You see, I have spent tens of THOUSANDS to be a legit and legal business, so why would I cut my own throat over a few hundred dollars worth of sleds? Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it? Its not something I'm dumb enough to do. Why risk future business to make a buck? its just not smart.

So unlike all the Kiddy laser stores selling on Your Forum, I am the real deal. while not perfect, I have raised the bar in this hobby by offering plots for EVERY laser sled/diode I sell! By selling at low prices to stop all the rippoff group buys that where happening on YOUR forum. and I have succeeded and will continue too.

With all the Money, Time & Dedication that I put into this Store, to help YOU the consumer. You can ether help yourself & others by keeping me informed or pray Little Johnnie's Sled Store doesn't take you for a ride AGAIN!

I read that members there are asking who to buy from thats trustworthy, I am trustworthy, just not well informed. I may have a Laser Forum but my busy schedule forbids me from reading every post. But with a little help form YOU the consumer, I can make things happen that you cannot do by yourself, thats what I'm here for.

Doesn't it just make sense to work with me on this since I have established my store?
Or would you rather ride the Drama train with Dirtbag Dagiun the mind reader at the helm?

Make a choice, I will keep pushing my business to be the best, You could help and reap the benefits or take your chances with someones illegal business. Its up to you, I'm not going anywhere and my business is and will continue to grow.

Speaking of growth, did you know that I sell to Hollywood special effects companies, Hospitals and Universities all over the world?
Just another reason why I get so pissed off when some dumb ass attempts to ruin my reputation because his ego has grown bigger than the rocks in his flippen head.

Steve Wagner
WagnerTech LLC
8640 State Route 163
Belleville, IL. 62223
1(618)550-9810

I don't Care
I do not need you to cry about me:crackup:

daguin said:

You think of yourself as a scientist. Please use a scientific perspective. Scientists do not deal with "possibilities." We deal with "probabilities." It would appear that you probably will not be able to get beyond this. You appear to have gone off the deep end here. The personal attack was completely unwarranted and completely untrue. I will actually be placing you on ignore now. I no longer even care if you have a nice life or not.

Peace,
dave

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