8X Diode Murder fund - Laser Pointer Forums

daguin · 09-28-2009, 08:44 PM

**FINAL EDIT?**
STOP -- ALTO -- NO MAS -- CEASE -- DESIST

We did it!!!!!!

YOU ALL ROCK!!!

**RE-EDIT** We are off to the races again Several members want to go ahead and try to get IgorT a second diode. So we are ON again. Any donation is a good donation. If you do not already have my PayPal, send me a PM. Also there has been a question about Google Check-Out I can invoice you through Google Check-Out. When you PM, give me your Google address.

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A couple of people have asked for this

IgorT needs to kill an 8X diode to see what it can do so we ALL can know how hard we can push these safely.

I would love to donate this, but I really cannot afford it alone.

The total of what I paid for a used LG BH08 + PayPal fees + shipping is $175. We need $175 to pay the "hit man."

What say you Goodly Fellows (and Ladies)? Doth we hire the brave knight to slay the dragon for us? Or do we continue to feed the dragon small amounts of current to assauge our fear of provoking it?

Post here.

If you do not already have my PayPal address, send me a PM.

Peace,
dave

daguin · 09-28-2009, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

Ideally wouldn't 2 or 3 of these be better to provide averaged out results , in case he gets a freak or below normal diode?

Sure. You wanna donate the $600?

Peace,
dave

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 08:55 PM

I'll cover one diode, if people donate 50%....

I'll kill it on my cycler cct at 300mW CW, to find if it can survive 100h+ at 1min duty cycle.

Tech_Junkie · 09-28-2009, 08:56 PM

Do you have a PP addy for this? I'll throw a nickle in the pot.

daguin · 09-28-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tech_Junkie

Do you have a PP addy for this? I'll throw a nickle in the pot.

If you do not already have my PayPal address, send me a PM.

Peace,
dave

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

I was merely sayign that and average would be better.
Maybe some shop owners that are actually making money could donate a diode each.

Unforunatelly i don't make much money latelly, i'm broke...

I have $300 USD. I need to get one diode for killing, one for myself, one for Glenn for all the help he gave me.

Dave: Thank you for doing this! I should have done it myself, but i only proposed the idea.

Guys, i'll have three diodes here at once. I'll pick the "freaks" for lasers, and test the lowest efficiency one, altho from what i can tell they are VERY CONSISTENT!

The lowest efficiency will be set to freak power, and killed on my "Cycler Circuit TM"..

Lowest efficiency live shortest lives, so we will know freaks will live longer!

We just need to establish the MINIMUM...

Guys, i recently spent $250 on diode tests,
before that $1000 on lens tests, which all current lenses are based on.

This is money i will never see again, and i'm OK with it.

But now i can't afford to kill a diode without some help...

ANY donation is HELPFUL even if it's ONLY $5-10 USD, if it comes from 15 people!

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daguin

If you do not already have my PayPal address, send me a PM.

Peace,
dave

Right, people need to send YOU the munneyz...

Since you got the drives!

So.. Basically there is a way of sending money with PP with only a 1% fee..

If PERSONAL is selected for the reason.
If you select "Money owed" and write "Here is the money i owed you" in the message.

PP usually allows you a 1% fee, and Dave gets more money (all of it)....
No fees are applied to him, to you a minimal one!

A $10 USD donation would cost you $10.1!

daguin · 09-28-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

I was merely saying that an average would be better.
Maybe some shop owners that are actually making money, i know i can't afford 600.00, could donate a diode each.

You don't understand the hobby very well yet, do you?

HEY!! Anybody out there actually "making money"?

Or at least more than you need to support your own laser habit?

Peace,
dave

john_lawson · 09-28-2009, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daguin

You don't understand the hobby very well yet, do you?

HEY!! Anybody out there actually "making money"?

Or at least more than you need to support your own laser habit?

Peace,
dave

not me lol

jayrob · 09-28-2009, 09:10 PM

I'm currently out of work right now...

But I'll put in $20 bucks. Hopefully we can get enough people. Sending PayPal Dave!

daguin · 09-28-2009, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

No I dont, I am completely ignorant to the hobby but im sure I will catch on.

But If lets say Dark Lasers donates a diode for the cause it would be good showing on their part , and maybe help sales on his shop? Kind of the way that some companies sponsor products or people.

As my grandmother used to say --

"From your mouth to God's ears"

Peace,
dave

P.S. A fancy looking banner ad does NOT equal a significant profit for the busness

ColdStl · 09-28-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgorT

PP usually allows you a 1% fee, and Dave gets more money (all of it)....
No fees are applied to him, to you a minimal one!

A $10 USD donation would cost you $10.1!

Close, try $10.59. LOL. Anyway, now I'm gonna have to donate to LPF as well. Have fun murdering the diode Igor.

daguin · 09-28-2009, 09:32 PM

I'm not going to post names. If you want others to know you donated (and/or how much) you will have to post that info.

Thanks you two

Only need $145 now

Peace,
dave

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

No I dont, I am completely ignorant to the hobby but im sure I will catch on.

But If lets say Dark Lasers donates a diode for the cause it would be good showing on their part , and maybe help sales on his shop? Kind of the way that some companies sponsor products or people.

DarkLaser donate a diode?

It's too much for one person, we have to do this as a FORUM!

I do hope Dark pitches in..

bryce007 · 09-28-2009, 09:46 PM

I'll send something when I get home. PM'd you Dave.

ndrew2505 · 09-28-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidrogen

No I dont, I am completely ignorant to the hobby but im sure I will catch on.

But If lets say Dark Lasers donates a diode for the cause it would be good showing on their part , and maybe help sales on his shop? Kind of the way that some companies sponsor products or people.

you really dont realize that theres not much money to be made running these shops do you...with everyone trying to undercut each other and members always complaining about lower prices the "shop owners" make very little to no profit off the items we sell. i personaaly dont make jack off sled sales. its the specialized items that i carry thats the only way i make any money and theres still very little of that. thank jake21("mr. undercutter") and yourselves for that. any money i make now from the shop is going to pay my bills b/c like jayrob i lost my job recently and cant afford to donate...

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 10:18 PM

Yeah, i used to make some PP money on my PHR lasers and 6x lasers, but times got tough and orders dropped..

I do have a few specialized orders, but many are free-work orders.

Basically favor builds, for people who helped me a lot.

I killed expensive diodes and now i'm "broke" too...

Basically, i just do a lot of research in the end, and the money just dissapears somehow...

Worst of all, some Chinese people scammed us all and i wasted $250 on 50mW PHRs, sold as 150mW & 120m CW, which should be as good as 8x diodes!

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 10:22 PM

So i'm gonna send Dave $50 USD.

If a few people send the cost of a PHR diode, i'll give them a good PHR diode for that money, and it should cover the 8x murder candidate.

I'll write up a testing protocol, but simply speaking, i'm looking for powers the poor diode can survive for 25+ 50+ or even 100+ hours, the last result would be the IDEAL result, and would provide people with a few years of "normal-use" of a laser pointer....

daguin · 09-28-2009, 10:23 PM

Down to $95

Peace,
dave

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 10:25 PM

This is good!

So which diode do i murder then?

I can't murder the first one, cos i need to make you a lazor!

I can murder the second one, which was meant for a personal lazor, but i guess i can live without an 8x for a while longer...

daguin · 09-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgorT

If a few people send the cost of a PHR diode, i'll give them a good PHR diode for that money, and it should cover the 8x murder candidate.

If you want the PHR deal, you must let me know so that I can get IgorT the addresses

Peace,
adve

jayrob · 09-28-2009, 10:31 PM

This seems to be moving very fast!

A great cause...

IgorT · 09-28-2009, 10:36 PM

So, what's gonna happen is this:

The 8x murder diode candidate test protocol:

I will test two LG 8x diodes... Make full PIV plots on my v2 "Diode Analyzer" (aka OmniDrive with temerature display in v2)...

The plots will result in power readings like the ones in the attachment.
EDIT: Forgot the attachment!

Of the two diodes, one will have a slightly higher efficiency...

That one will be classified as "freak" (hopefully) and used for Dave's laser i am making for him (A "Classic" with my v3 All-In-One Heatsink/Module and my driver)....

The lower efficiency diode will have the power set between 300-400mW CW, depending on the full PIV plot and efficiency, and then..

I will put it on my own "boost driver" and cycle it to death with 1min cycles.

What happens is this. The diode is powered ON for a minute and OFF for a minute... The power it produces will degrade the die.

But more importantly, the 1min cycles of powering up will torture the diode additionally...

I think 2 min cycles would result in longer life! Less power UPs and Downs in the same power ON time...

Altho some people would disagree with this. But fact is, the more often a diode is powered UP the more hurt it gets.

So what i NEED is most people's usage habbits...

So please, if you have an 8x lazor of any kind, donate here, and tell me your usage stats (how long you usually turn your laser ON at once)!!

This is very important, as i want to make a test protocol that will resemble the most common laser usage....

This entire project will probably take two weeks. Dave needs to send me another diode, i have to plot both, and put the weaker one on my cycler the better one in Dave's lazor.

This means it MIGHT take a little longer to make Dave's lazor, altho it will be assembled as soon as i get the second diode and plot it on my Diode Analyzer to figure out which is better...

EDIT: Attachment!!!

Glutton · 09-28-2009, 10:36 PM

Yeah this is going fast!

this should be done for the 12x too...

What do you think?

jayrob · 09-28-2009, 10:40 PM

For sure for sure...

Igor is our man! Hey Igor, please edit your above post to say the full model number of the LG drive. Just because I have not tried anything but a Pioneer BDR-203, and I don't know exactly the LG drive model...

This is great! I'm sure we can do the same thing for the 12X diode when it becomes available...

09-28-2009, 08:44 PM	#1
daguin Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Southern California Posts: 11,589 Rep Power: 360	8X Diode Murder fund FINAL EDIT? STOP -- ALTO -- NO MAS -- CEASE -- DESIST We did it!!!!!! YOU ALL ROCK!!! RE-EDIT We are off to the races again Several members want to go ahead and try to get IgorT a second diode. So we are ON again. Any donation is a good donation. If you do not already have my PayPal, send me a PM. Also there has been a question about Google Check-Out I can invoice you through Google Check-Out. When you PM, give me your Google address. ************************************************ ****** A couple of people have asked for this IgorT needs to kill an 8X diode to see what it can do so we ALL can know how hard we can push these safely. I would love to donate this, but I really cannot afford it alone. The total of what I paid for a used LG BH08 + PayPal fees + shipping is $175. We need $175 to pay the "hit man." What say you Goodly Fellows (and Ladies)? Doth we hire the brave knight to slay the dragon for us? Or do we continue to feed the dragon small amounts of current to assauge our fear of provoking it? Post here. If you do not already have my PayPal address, send me a PM. Peace, dave __________________ Niko only WISHES he could SPAM like me Did you get some benefit from reading this forum? If so, CLICK HERE to donate $2 to keep it going** Last edited by daguin; 10-02-2009 at 03:03 PM.

09-28-2009, 08:55 PM	#3
IgorT Class 3B Laser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 4,157 Rep Power: 34	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund I'll cover one diode, if people donate 50%.... I'll kill it on my cycler cct at 300mW CW, to find if it can survive 100h+ at 1min duty cycle. __________________ - offering Professionaly Assembled 110 - 500mW BluRay & <300mW Red lazores - help fund Diode and Custom Lens research by ordering one - * - LONG DIODE LIFE! through careful diode selection during pre-testing on specialised Diode Analyzing equipment! (You can even select the efficiency AND/OR wavelength of your diode, for a higher power and longer life or a higher visibility at longer wl's!) - NO DUTY CYCLE LIMIT! due to high driver efficiency and near-perfect heatsinking with the v3 Heatsink/Module! (Diode pressed directly into the v3 HS/M! High-Efficiency Boost driver creates no heat making the diode the ONLY heat source!) * --- CONTACT INFO --- - When writing, PLEASE USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE FORUM LINK (OR CLICK HERE) for laser related questions! - - For urgent messages STILL available on Skype (text chat only) -

09-28-2009, 08:56 PM	#4
Tech_Junkie Class 4 Laser Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Just left of insanity. Posts: 5,918 Rep Power: 123	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund Do you have a PP addy for this? I'll throw a nickle in the pot. __________________ FS: Hard Sided Laser Case. Click Here.

09-28-2009, 09:10 PM	#10
jayrob Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern CA, U.S. Astrophotography! (Some of my Photos) Posts: 7,192 Rep Power: 303	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund I'm currently out of work right now... But I'll put in $20 bucks. Hopefully we can get enough people. Sending PayPal Dave! __________________ Personal lasers: RPL 425, O-like 250, Evolution Pro 150, Nova X-105, Nexus 95, RPL 35 (473), GLP-473, GLP-593.5, HeNe 632.8, Many DIY red, blu-ray, and green builds... (now 445!) Looking for a DIY kit? Take a look at some of my more popular kits linked in color... * FS: 405-G-1 Glass Lens Mod for Blu-ray! 31% increase in power vs AixiZ acrylic! * FS: Parts - 12X Star Trek Phaser! Awesome 12X build! Must see my Youtube video linked in my tutorial... * FS: DIY Green Build Kits! Easy assembly in minutes! * FS: Pocket Mini Build Kits! 'HOT' option for FlexDrive installed! Click here for a list of my build kits! Projects and tutorials too!

09-28-2009, 09:32 PM	#13
daguin Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Southern California Posts: 11,589 Rep Power: 360	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund I'm not going to post names. If you want others to know you donated (and/or how much) you will have to post that info. Thanks you two Only need $145 now Peace, dave __________________ Niko only WISHES he could SPAM like me Did you get some benefit from reading this forum? If so, CLICK HERE to donate $2 to keep it going

09-28-2009, 09:46 PM	#15
bryce007 Class 3R Laser Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,660 Rep Power: 105	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund I'll send something when I get home. PM'd you Dave. __________________ Max Power! He's the man, whose name you'd love to touch! But you mustn't touch. His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it, you mustn't fear! Cuz his name can be said by anyone! 230mW Kryton(blue/pink fade)__70mW PHR in CNI style host__50mW PHR in chrome pen host 500mW Viasho Labby__250mW RPL style__WL Photonic Disruptor Pro 120mW__WL core 5mW__50mW focusable LOC in husky host Uniphase 1mW bare tube HeNe 632.8nm__Melles Griot 12mW bare tube HeNe 8x Kryton Groove and 6x from IgorT Come chat at www.laserchat.org

09-28-2009, 10:18 PM	#17
IgorT Class 3B Laser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 4,157 Rep Power: 34	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund Yeah, i used to make some PP money on my PHR lasers and 6x lasers, but times got tough and orders dropped.. I do have a few specialized orders, but many are free-work orders. Basically favor builds, for people who helped me a lot. I killed expensive diodes and now i'm "broke" too... Basically, i just do a lot of research in the end, and the money just dissapears somehow... Worst of all, some Chinese people scammed us all and i wasted $250 on 50mW PHRs, sold as 150mW & 120m CW, which should be as good as 8x diodes! __________________ - offering Professionaly Assembled 110 - 500mW BluRay & <300mW Red lazores - help fund Diode and Custom Lens research by ordering one - * - LONG DIODE LIFE! through careful diode selection during pre-testing on specialised Diode Analyzing equipment! (You can even select the efficiency AND/OR wavelength of your diode, for a higher power and longer life or a higher visibility at longer wl's!) - NO DUTY CYCLE LIMIT! due to high driver efficiency and near-perfect heatsinking with the v3 Heatsink/Module! (Diode pressed directly into the v3 HS/M! High-Efficiency Boost driver creates no heat making the diode the ONLY heat source!) * --- CONTACT INFO --- - When writing, PLEASE USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE FORUM LINK (OR CLICK HERE) for laser related questions! - - For urgent messages STILL available on Skype (text chat only) -

09-28-2009, 10:22 PM	#18
IgorT Class 3B Laser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 4,157 Rep Power: 34	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund So i'm gonna send Dave $50 USD. If a few people send the cost of a PHR diode, i'll give them a good PHR diode for that money, and it should cover the 8x murder candidate. I'll write up a testing protocol, but simply speaking, i'm looking for powers the poor diode can survive for 25+ 50+ or even 100+ hours, the last result would be the IDEAL result, and would provide people with a few years of "normal-use" of a laser pointer....

09-28-2009, 10:23 PM	#19
daguin Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Southern California Posts: 11,589 Rep Power: 360	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund Down to $95 Peace, dave __________________ Niko only WISHES he could SPAM like me Did you get some benefit from reading this forum? If so, CLICK HERE to donate $2 to keep it going

09-28-2009, 10:25 PM	#20
IgorT Class 3B Laser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 4,157 Rep Power: 34	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund This is good! So which diode do i murder then? I can't murder the first one, cos i need to make you a lazor! I can murder the second one, which was meant for a personal lazor, but i guess i can live without an 8x for a while longer... __________________ - offering Professionaly Assembled 110 - 500mW BluRay & <300mW Red lazores - help fund Diode and Custom Lens research by ordering one - * - LONG DIODE LIFE! through careful diode selection during pre-testing on specialised Diode Analyzing equipment! (You can even select the efficiency AND/OR wavelength of your diode, for a higher power and longer life or a higher visibility at longer wl's!) - NO DUTY CYCLE LIMIT! due to high driver efficiency and near-perfect heatsinking with the v3 Heatsink/Module! (Diode pressed directly into the v3 HS/M! High-Efficiency Boost driver creates no heat making the diode the ONLY heat source!) * --- CONTACT INFO --- - When writing, PLEASE USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE FORUM LINK (OR CLICK HERE) for laser related questions! - - For urgent messages STILL available on Skype (text chat only) -

09-28-2009, 10:31 PM	#22
jayrob Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern CA, U.S. Astrophotography! (Some of my Photos) Posts: 7,192 Rep Power: 303	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund This seems to be moving very fast! A great cause... __________________ Personal lasers: RPL 425, O-like 250, Evolution Pro 150, Nova X-105, Nexus 95, RPL 35 (473), GLP-473, GLP-593.5, HeNe 632.8, Many DIY red, blu-ray, and green builds... (now 445!) Looking for a DIY kit? Take a look at some of my more popular kits linked in color... * FS: 405-G-1 Glass Lens Mod for Blu-ray! 31% increase in power vs AixiZ acrylic! * FS: Parts - 12X Star Trek Phaser! Awesome 12X build! Must see my Youtube video linked in my tutorial... * FS: DIY Green Build Kits! Easy assembly in minutes! * FS: Pocket Mini Build Kits! 'HOT' option for FlexDrive installed! Click here for a list of my build kits! Projects and tutorials too!

09-28-2009, 10:36 PM	#23
IgorT Class 3B Laser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 4,157 Rep Power: 34	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund So, what's gonna happen is this: The 8x murder diode candidate test protocol: I will test two LG 8x diodes... Make full PIV plots on my v2 "Diode Analyzer" (aka OmniDrive with temerature display in v2)... The plots will result in power readings like the ones in the attachment. EDIT: Forgot the attachment! Of the two diodes, one will have a slightly higher efficiency... That one will be classified as "freak" (hopefully) and used for Dave's laser i am making for him (A "Classic" with my v3 All-In-One Heatsink/Module and my driver).... The lower efficiency diode will have the power set between 300-400mW CW, depending on the full PIV plot and efficiency, and then.. I will put it on my own "boost driver" and cycle it to death with 1min cycles. What happens is this. The diode is powered ON for a minute and OFF for a minute... The power it produces will degrade the die. But more importantly, the 1min cycles of powering up will torture the diode additionally... I think 2 min cycles would result in longer life! Less power UPs and Downs in the same power ON time... Altho some people would disagree with this. But fact is, the more often a diode is powered UP the more hurt it gets. So what i NEED is most people's usage habbits... So please, if you have an 8x lazor of any kind, donate here, and tell me your usage stats (how long you usually turn your laser ON at once)!! This is very important, as i want to make a test protocol that will resemble the most common laser usage.... This entire project will probably take two weeks. Dave needs to send me another diode, i have to plot both, and put the weaker one on my cycler the better one in Dave's lazor. This means it MIGHT take a little longer to make Dave's lazor, altho it will be assembled as soon as i get the second diode and plot it on my Diode Analyzer to figure out which is better... EDIT: Attachment!!! Attached Thumbnails __________________ - offering Professionaly Assembled 110 - 500mW BluRay & <300mW Red lazores - help fund Diode and Custom Lens research by ordering one - * - LONG DIODE LIFE! through careful diode selection during pre-testing on specialised Diode Analyzing equipment! (You can even select the efficiency AND/OR wavelength of your diode, for a higher power and longer life or a higher visibility at longer wl's!) - NO DUTY CYCLE LIMIT! due to high driver efficiency and near-perfect heatsinking with the v3 Heatsink/Module! (Diode pressed directly into the v3 HS/M! High-Efficiency Boost driver creates no heat making the diode the ONLY heat source!) * --- CONTACT INFO --- - When writing, PLEASE USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE FORUM LINK (OR CLICK HERE) for laser related questions! - - For urgent messages STILL available on Skype (text chat only) - Last edited by IgorT; 09-28-2009 at 11:45 PM.

09-28-2009, 10:36 PM	#24
Glutton Class 2 Laser Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 318 Rep Power: 6	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund Yeah this is going fast! this should be done for the 12x too... What do you think?

09-28-2009, 10:40 PM	#25
jayrob Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern CA, U.S. Astrophotography! (Some of my Photos) Posts: 7,192 Rep Power: 303	Re: 8X Diode Murder fund For sure for sure... Igor is our man! Hey Igor, please edit your above post to say the full model number of the LG drive. Just because I have not tried anything but a Pioneer BDR-203, and I don't know exactly the LG drive model... This is great! I'm sure we can do the same thing for the 12X diode when it becomes available... __________________ Personal lasers: RPL 425, O-like 250, Evolution Pro 150, Nova X-105, Nexus 95, RPL 35 (473), GLP-473, GLP-593.5, HeNe 632.8, Many DIY red, blu-ray, and green builds... (now 445!) Looking for a DIY kit? Take a look at some of my more popular kits linked in color... * FS: 405-G-1 Glass Lens Mod for Blu-ray! 31% increase in power vs AixiZ acrylic! * FS: Parts - 12X Star Trek Phaser! Awesome 12X build! Must see my Youtube video linked in my tutorial... * FS: DIY Green Build Kits! Easy assembly in minutes! * FS: Pocket Mini Build Kits! 'HOT' option for FlexDrive installed! Click here for a list of my build kits! Projects and tutorials too!

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