8X Diode Murder fund

Crazy Jay said:

It never stops. They keep following me. Can someone advise me on what to do?

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We are not following you...you keep trolling the threads we lurk....

Advice: Act like an honest, real person and all will be well. Yeah you could say the same to me. But I'm completely upfront with my short comings. As long as you are honest, you will fit right in.

The rest is ball busting. And it isnt always.

Whatever Tech Junkie posted I'm sure it was about me. I can't see what you type anymore Tech Junkie :na:

Edit: Maybe we can be friends in the future though. Just not right now

I guess acting like an honest, real person is to much.

Tech_Junkie said:

I guess acting like an honest, real person is to much.

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Why be honest about yourself? It's the internet, you can be whoever you want.

(gets in his Aston Martin and drives away)

bryce007 said:

(gets in his Aston Martin and drives away)

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You're right, mister Bond.

*taking up his longfur white cat, wearing his monocule and fading in the backstage shadows*

My mom would say that you attract the type of person you project. What this means is that if you are honest, other honest people will always be attracted and surround you. No honest person would knowing befriend a dishonest person. Same goes for fake people. If you want honest and real people to like you, you must be honest and real. Its simple karma. Everyone has character flaws. But if you are going to be dishonest and fake, no one will care. Some people never figure this out. Tyler (Dark) is a good example of this.

IgorT said:

8x Diode MURDER EXPERIMENT - UPDATE!
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It looks like the MURDER POOL will consist of 15 LG 8x diodes!

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Make that 13. Flaminpyro asked me to ship his two drives directly to him instead. 13 is still good enough

Crazy Jay said:

Hes always one to me. But I've learned to ignore things now. I won't respond to negative posts anymore. Man the 12x's are going to be so great!

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You lying little a$$wipe... you try to neg rep me and try to ki$$ a$$ on this Thread...:tsk:

We know who and what you are.... I take back anything nice I ever said about you..:yabbmad:
(and I've deleted those posts...)

T_J had you pegged from the get go...:eg:

You better put me on your Ignore list too...

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@Dave.. Sorry for the threadjack... needed to be said..

lasersbee said:

You lying little a$$wipe... you try to neg rep me and try to ki$$ a$$ on this Thread...:tsk:
We know who and what you are.... I take back anything nice I ever said about you..:yabbmad:
(and I've deleted those posts...)
T_J had you pegged from the get go...:eg:
You better put me on your Ignore list too...
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@Dave.. Sorry for the threadjack... needed to be said..

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I rarely worry about threadjacks. I've been known to perpetrate one a time or two

The way some people try to use the rep system is just wrong. The rep system is not to punish others. It is not to be used to try to control others. The rep system is to let the members of a forum know some things about the person being repped.

I have >6700 posts
I have a rep rating of 58 -- That equals >3000 points
I have given out <5 negative rep points

Does that mean that others have never angered me? Does that mean that others have not said bad things about me? Does that mean that others have not energetically disagreed with me? Of course not. It just means that neg rep should be used ONLY when it is necessary to WARN the community (especially NooB's) about someone.

IIRC I didn't even neg rep Wesdaman, Arenared (until he came back in disguise just to troll and was trolling everybody), or even DarkArmyofOne.

The finger should hover a long time above the neg rep key. You should actually stop and ask yourself, "Why am I giving this person a bad name?" If the answer to that question has anything to do with you, personally, you should take your finger away from the key. If the answer to that question is to help protect a NooB from harm, then click it AND THEN EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID IT IN THE NEG REP BOX.

Peace,
dave

bryce007 said:

Make that 13. Flaminpyro asked me to ship his two drives directly to him instead. 13 is still good enough

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13 is still a GREAT murder pool! 13 to choose the murder candidates from!

You think they really could get to you tomorrow? I think it would be best to forward them to Glenn...
He is the one who helps me smuggle most things into this little country here...



EDIT: Make that 14 diodes for the Murder Pool! I am getting an 8x with "fractures" in the output from itw3ak for free! :yh:
This means i get to MURDER THREE 8x Diodes in the end!!!

Tabish said:

Just curious, Igor, how will you decide who gets the "better" diodes ???

I mean the ones with: Higher wavelengths / higher efficiency..

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You know what? You left the GB, you have no right to ask that question! :tsk:
Nah, just kidding, i knew it would come up sooner or later... I was thinking about it from the start.

It's very simple... I keep the best ones, and give the rest to others? :evil:



Ok, seriously now... I noticed one interesting thing about GGW diodes, which i already explained in FrancoRob's thread (about te 8x i made for him)...

The GGW diodes we got from reject sleds varied ALL OVER THE PLACE! Some were so weak they could not possibly work in a drive at all, one even had two kinks!
Their wavelengths were all over the place as well, and that's not all! There were different sled versions! And different sled versions contained different GGW diodes. Same diodes but different characteristics - consistent within that sled version!

- v3 for example were ALL without exception SUPER FREAKS, with high wavelength on top!
- v1 were almost as good as v3.
- v2 were all over the place - anything from horribly bad to exceptionally good, like v3's.


But whenever i get a diode from a DRIVE instead of a reject sled, something interesting happens. The efficiency variations are small! Barelly worth mentioning sometimes! Wavelength variations are also small! They seem to stick to 405-408nm!
For diodes to work consistently in a drive, they have to be..... Consistent! If they are not, they get rejected, and sold to the Chinese, who then sell them to us...


But because of those abnormalities in GGW sleds, i now believe the GGW reject sleds were - or at least contained - PROTOTYPING REJECTS!!
Especially since there were clearly different sled versions, and weird diodes in them! Some of them VERY WEIRD!!!


I don't know for sure yet, but i don't expect 8x's (from Drives!) to vary a lot by wavelength (OR efficiency)! They have to slightly, it doesn't work any other way physically, but i wonder if it'll even be noticable (wavelength i mean, efficiency will be slightly noticable)?
So basically we will end up with a group of PIV plots with diodes maintained at constant temperature during plotting, to guarantee reliable results.

We will cut the two lowest plots off the chart, and sacrifice them to the Lazor Gawds...


The rest of them will ALL be good diodes! In fact, even the two "bad" ones will be GOOD DIODES!
So far, everyone who bought a drive got a good diode and was able to make a high power laser out of it!
Some had to set the current a little higher, others a little lower, but everyone was able to make a 400mW+ laser, if they wanted to!

In this case, two weakest ones go away, so the rest will be slightly better!


If i was asked to ultimatelly set them all to the same power, there might be a few mA more on one, less on the other, but that's it...
Other than that, i don't expect anything bizzare to happen...



If however anything bizzare does happen, we will have to come up with a plan... We'll figure it out once we get there!




EDIT: A more simple answer to your question as to WHO gets the better diodes is:
- Everyone! The weakest two get sacrificed for scientific purposes, so EVERYONE get's better diodes... :yh:

Imagine that this was a regular "GB" without any sacrifices to the Lazor Gawdz! Then someone would also have to get the weakest two diodes! Now they won't!

It's gonna be easier to disseminate the better diodes than to decide WHO gets the worst ones!


But as i explained above about drives, it is my belief, that EVERY DIODE that comes from a drive MUST be a good one, the efficiency differences present are compensated for by more or less current in the drive itself, and all drives can burn at the same speed in the end!

I don't expect to find severelly BAD diodes in drives! This is a completelly different world from reject-sleds!




EDIT2: Imagine red laser diodes, open cans more specifically... They too vary in efficiency (and wavelength)... But because they are more powerful diodes as well as more advanced, they are more consistent than their lower power versions.. The variations are present, but SMALL, very small!

The same thing is happening here now with BluRays. The higher the power of a diode we get, the more consistent they are!
And 8x's are already putting out WAY more power than open cans, which is funny seeing how they are rated for less! * :thinking:

* And this is preciselly WHY i wanted to do this experiment!

IgorT said:

The GGW diodes we got from reject sleds varied ALL OVER THE PLACE! Some were so weak they could not possibly work in a drive at all, one even had two kinks!
Their wavelengths were all over the place as well, and that's not all! There were different sled versions! And different sled versions contained different GGW diodes. Same diodes but different characteristics!

- v3 for example were ALL without exception SUPER FREAKS, with high wavelength on top!
- v1 were almost as good as v3.
- v2 were all over the place - anything from horribly bad to exceptionally good, like v3's.

But whenever i get a diode from a DRIVE and not a reject sled, something interesting happens. The efficiency variations are small! .....

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well, this have a sense ..... i mean, i worked for years as prototypes designer/maker/tester, and this difference have sense in prototyping series from big companies ..... considering this, i also think that the sleds that are sold around are "prototype stocks", that producers made at the start of the production cycle, for test all the brands and models of available diodes, and then someone sold out the remaining prototypes as "junk parts" ..... after all, big producers don't test single exemplars, they go in semi-mass production also with tests, so they can test all, the diodes, the chassis, the setup of the alignment / assembly machines, and also the efficency of the final product ..... so, all them can vary a lot, where instead finished products, having precise standards, cannot be so varied .....

Just wondering how much of weak/bad diodes they used for setup the alignment and working cycle of the mass producers assembly machines, and how much of them some seller offers us claiming that they are "rejected from assembly" or "spare sleds" ..... :thinking:

So you think my theory could be correct?

I can't find any other explanation for WHY the diodes from "QC-reject" sleds would vary SO MUCH!



I mean, look at my PI plot of a batch of 61 GGW diodes.. They really are ALL OVER THE PLACE! A bunch of them i can't even use!

At the same time, i have yet to find a SINGLE bad diode in a drive! In a drive a diode is always either a "normal" or higher efficiency, never low or very low....

@ IgorT: Yes, i think your idea is right.

After all, just considerate my example about alignment ..... you have an assembly / alignment automated machine with a new design sled ..... then, now you need to set-up all the working phases of the machine, before pass in production, right ? ..... and this mean (supposing that you already have aligned all the mechanical parts, like glueing the diodes in the heatsink, place and align all the fixed positions parts of the optics, the holders, and so on), now you need to set the positioning and alignment of the diode/heatsink, flash-curing adhesive, position / alignment of the PBS and variable optics, curing other adhesive, check the beam paths, regulation of the diode powers, final check (and this just for the optic/beams part) ..... and all these operations requires that you use working LD in place, cause you cannot align beam paths and optics without a beam ..... i bet that for these operations, that are made on mass-production machines, that cannot work with single pieces placed by hands, but require usually loaders, they don't use first-choice high-price diodes, they use all the ones that still works, but for some reasons was previously discarded .....

If i had to do this, as example, i will ask to the diode producer to buy some lots of their off-spec, non-good products as junk or very low price (otherwise they have to throw them away, anyway), just for use them in alignments ..... then, maybe, reselling the obtained sleds as "junk / gold recover" bulks, just for recover some money also from them.

Maybe someone that have put his hand on some of these junk bulks, decided to put them around as "rejected sleds", or "spare sleds", for sell the diodes, so we find lots of different diodes characteristics inside them and this is normal, in this context, and may explain all your different plotting results.

Edit: and this may also explain why a lot of these sleds have mechanical parts broken intentionally ..... so, none can try to use them as spare and notice that they don't work correctly

HIMNL9 said:

Edit: and this may also explain why a lot of these sleds have mechanical parts broken intentionally ..... so, none can try to use them as spare and notice that they don't work correctly

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LOL, i was given a different explanation, when i asked about this...
The Chinese told me, they bribed someone in LG to slightly damage the sleds so they would be discarded during QC testing, and sold to them, so they could sell them to us! :crackup:

But they assured, me, that the person with the hammer was also told to leave the diodes in tact... :crackup:


I think i was not supposed to tell this to anyone, but my memory is blurry, and the Chinese lied to me and deceived me so many times already, that i don't see a point in keeping a "secret" that was probably made up as well as all their other lies.. :shhh:

:angel:

How do you know when a Chinese laser sled dealer is lying?







When he is typing an email

Peace,
dave