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Old 12-25-2014, 02:48 PM #17
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This should be a sticky...Too many people do all those things.
Example, the deleted post right up there ^



I always wonder if its just the younger generation, and them being used to having everything handed to them...Honestly you'd think by looking at some of the posts on here that kids don't know what a search bar is.
What's that, little Timmy? You finnished seventh place? Here's your trophy!
What's that, little Susie? You didn't feel like finishing? Here's your trophy!

That's how this generation of kids is being conditioned (to think they deserve a reward no matter how much effort they put into something).

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What's that, little Timmy? You finnished seventh place? Here's your trophy!
What's that, little Susie? You didn't feel like finishing? Here's your trophy!

That's how this generation of kids is being conditioned (to think they deserve a reward no matter how much effort they put into something).

Oh, and have a Merry Christmas!
It is due to the ongoing wussification of young men in the US and in developed nations around the world and the hyper$exualization of the young girls. Young girls look up to women like Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Victoria Secret models etc. and want to be like them. They aren't good role models for young girls. It's no wonder all the Islamic countries hate us, it's because they don't want their daughters to grow up to be sluts. We are as much a danger to their culture and way of life as they are to ours. And the socialist nanny state mentality that kids are indoctrinated with in school makes it worse. It is a deliberate long term process to make populations more controllable.

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The area of a circle has certainly hit a nail on the head with that..... but I thought it was flouride in the water that was the control of choice.... Well said Pi R....

Though I wouldn't say all Islamists hate the Western world, that may be a little too strong... Though there certainly is a conflict of interest between the 2.... But IMO I think it's not about religion, but a game being played by the Mega mega rich to keep us all in our place..... Maybe
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I think I could have been seen in this way during the first month after joining.

When I find a new area of interest then I tend to become obsessive with it - so when I found LPF I was reading it many times a day (on the train to work, during breaks, on train home, in the evening), it became a large part of my live as there is a lot of knowledge to absorb (my poor wife has learnt to live with it!)

I may have responded to many threads because of two reasons: 1, almost any thread would have been interesting to me as it was feeding my hunger for knowledge. 2, if you read the forum multiple times a day then time seems to run at a different rate than if you read it only daily or weekly (i.e. nothing seems to happen - you're wanting to interact, hence posting welcomes on welcome threads etc)

All that said, I tried hard to search anything before I asked it.
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That's how this generation of kids is being conditioned (to think they deserve a reward no matter how much effort they put into something).

Oh, and have a Merry Christmas!
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It is due to the ongoing wussification of young men in the US and in developed nations around the world and the hyper$exualization of the young girls. Young girls look up to women like Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Victoria Secret models etc. and want to be like them. They aren't good role models for young girls. It's no wonder all the Islamic countries hate us, it's because they don't want their daughters to grow up to be sluts. We are as much a danger to their culture and way of life as they are to ours. And the socialist nanny state mentality that kids are indoctrinated with in school makes it worse. It is a deliberate long term process to make populations more controllable.

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I think I could have been seen in this way during the first month after joining.

When I find a new area of interest then I tend to become obsessive with it - so when I found LPF I was reading it many times a day (on the train to work, during breaks, on train home, in the evening), it became a large part of my live as there is a lot of knowledge to absorb (my poor wife has learnt to live with it!)

I may have responded to many threads because of two reasons: 1, almost any thread would have been interesting to me as it was feeding my hunger for knowledge. 2, if you read the forum multiple times a day then time seems to run at a different rate than if you read it only daily or weekly (i.e. nothing seems to happen - you're wanting to interact, hence posting welcomes on welcome threads etc)

All that said, I tried hard to search anything before I asked it.
I know EXACTLY how you feel!
Tell me, when you're interested in something, or have ordered something new, do you search the far corners of the internet trying to find any and all data on it? Every moment spent between the time you order it and the time it comes in the mail is spent thinking about it and trying to find out more information about it? No amount of youtube videos or online reviews is enough. You must find them all and absorb them. You will never be sated. You are only satisfied when you hold said object in your hand and actually see it/test it for yourself. Then, and only then, do you feel the completeness of the knowledge you sought online. I understand you because I am you.
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I was one of those that forgot to do the welcome but with some gentle nudging i got it done. I have not quite been here a year my anniversary for lpf is feb 14 but it will probably be another year before i make the vets list
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Been having a conversation with one of those newbies on the forum about this very thing! I am hoping like crazy that they will do as they say. So New Guys Listen to the vets and guys that been around a while when they give you advice its not meant to be critical but a insight so that you will not get hurt by doing some thing stupid! Learn from our mistakes so you will not repeat them!
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I remember when i first signed up to LPF i was almost too scared to post after reading some of the responses to newbies, and i didnt want to ask anything because i was a noob, didnt want to comment on how cool things were because i was a noob, i think i just started commenting on little things i knew then i was away posting

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I don't remember posting in the welcome section, maybe I did... Anyway, I'm running up on 1000 posts and you know what the first thing I'm going to do once I get there? Nothing, I'm not asking to be let into the clubs exclusive section, in fact, I will avoid going there at all. When first came here I received a few very unpleasant responses to my stupid questions, therefore, I take time to answer every question I can, whether I think it is too basic or not, I won't judge. Although I am sure some of the questions are occasionally trolls, I will answer them anyway, just in case they aren't.
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Never started a post in welcome section. Actually I interested in laser for just one and a half year. Active member in chinese laser forum but not LPF. Been reading great posts for entire year since registration. Finally wanna share my own staff on LPF because I want some reps to sell things here. And for sure I would bring some valuable threads though its not detailed ,always .
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I always had the impression that it is mandatory. In the stickies in the welcome area the first sticky in the first post says it is:
Hello and some words of advice to those not yet members
in the second sticky in the first post it says to introduce yourself:
How To Get Along and Be Accepted at LPF
sticky number six also says in the first post:

"If you are new here, I hope you will introduce yourself in our Welcome section so we can get to know you and enjoy your stay!"
Something to say about Etiquette
"Advice for new members", "ways to be accepted", "etiquette"; these are not rules, they are suggestions. They are not mandatory. There are other ways to be accepted here, and getting along means more than just saying hi. "I hope you will introduce yourself" is not the same as "You will introduce yourself." They are nothing alike.

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and it is constantly repeated elsewhere. My first post was a welcome post because I was reading everything I could here for months before I became a member, and I did read the stickies.

It's never too late for a welcome post.

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They are repeated ad nauseam in some cases, and to what good, honestly? "Post a welcome thread" is beaten to death, newbies do it, but get "rejected" anyway, and why? For being impatient and not searching for things. For demonstrating bad safety sense and getting pissy when people point it out to them. For being insulting, obnoxious, and/or generally a pain in the ass. Apparently posting a welcome thread didn't do much good in those cases. Lurking for a while, learning what they are able, and just getting a feel for the forum and its community probably would have.

Personally, I didn't post a welcome thread because I tend to be an introvert and it's just not the sort of thing I'm inclined to do. It just feels artificial to me. It has nothing to do with being unsociable; the introverts here should understand that quite well. Having lurked for a bit, I felt that I had a good idea of what the expectations were, so I've done my best to stick to them. I like to take pictures of lasers so my "introduction" consisted of posting those; I'd much rather see someone post a cool thread and get noticed for that.

All my own opinion of course but those are my thoughts on the matter.
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"Advice for new members", "ways to be accepted", "etiquette"; these are not rules, they are suggestions. They are not mandatory. There are other ways to be accepted here, and getting along means more than just saying hi. "I hope you will introduce yourself" is not the same as "You will introduce yourself." They are nothing alike.



They are repeated ad nauseam in some cases, and to what good, honestly? "Post a welcome thread" is beaten to death, newbies do it, but get "rejected" anyway, and why? For being impatient and not searching for things. For demonstrating bad safety sense and getting pissy when people point it out to them. For being insulting, obnoxious, and/or generally a pain in the ass. Apparently posting a welcome thread didn't do much good in those cases. Lurking for a while, learning what they are able, and just getting a feel for the forum and its community probably would have.

Personally, I didn't post a welcome thread because I tend to be an introvert and it's just not the sort of thing I'm inclined to do. It just feels artificial to me. It has nothing to do with being unsociable; the introverts here should understand that quite well. Having lurked for a bit, I felt that I had a good idea of what the expectations were, so I've done my best to stick to them. I like to take pictures of lasers so my "introduction" consisted of posting those; I'd much rather see someone post a cool thread and get noticed for that.

All my own opinion of course but those are my thoughts on the matter.
True, in your context, but, universally, introverts can have a hard time socially, because they are introverts.

So, sure, just like at a party, not introducing yourself/avoiding people is one way to not be welcomed...and, so is taking all the snacks and putting them into your pockets, or getting drunk and vomiting on the host, and so forth.

Just because there are more than one way to not be accepted doesn't mean you should not at least attempt being accepted.


On the plus side, in a forum like this at least...if you never post at all, you are invisible, and no one will be looking at you wondering if you're an axe murderer, etc....unlike at that party, etc.

At a party, etc...

If the "quiet guy" suddenly gets up, and says "Look at these pictures!", people at the party might look, but, they are also wondering what's this guy's story.

If his ONLY communication is to share pics of his favorite topic...and he seems otherwise harmless, they might relax and say, hmmm, maybe he's just got Aspergers?

So, if you don't see why it might matter, you MIGHT have Aspergers for example (Sliding scale on that one obviously...), or, it might be a coincidence that you have trouble communicating with people/understanding why they feel the way they feel, etc.

Being very shy can be a handicap in of itself...as, it forces others to initiate any contact that might occur, while simultaneously indicating that contact might not be welcome...and, so, contact is avoided.

Being avoided feels like being shunned, so, its a viscous cycle that can occur.

Why would you want to interact with these mean people? More avoidance, more "shunning" and so forth.

So, a Welcome Thread is simply a way to say "Hi! I'm so and so and I like puppies and lasers and am not an axe murderer/scammer, and I plan to ask a lot of questions about lasers and learn as much as possible"

This is in contrast to "Look at my pictures!"

Its just how people seem to prefer to interact.

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True, in your context, but, universally, introverts can have a hard time socially, because they are introverts.
And if that applies to me, it's my problem, not yours.

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So, sure, just like at a party, not introducing yourself/avoiding people is one way to not be welcomed...and, so is taking all the snacks and putting them into your pockets, or getting drunk and vomiting on the host, and so forth.
This is not a party, and there is a big difference between sitting quietly and puking on the host. Don't be silly.

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Just because there are more than one way to not be accepted doesn't mean you should not at least attempt being accepted.
I do attempt to be accepted. I attempt to be accepted by posting what interests me on forums that cater to such topics, and by not intentionally pissing other people off.

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On the plus side, in a forum like this at least...if you never post at all, you are invisible, and no one will be looking at you wondering if you're an axe murderer, etc....unlike at that party, etc.
Sometimes I prefer to just lurk and be quiet. Sometimes I prefer that people not notice me. Sometimes I do like to be engaged. Other times, I would rather watch from a distance. I'm not afraid of being forgotten because I know that I won't be. When I want the people to look at me, they will.

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At a party, etc...

If the "quiet guy" suddenly gets up, and says "Look at these pictures!", people at the party might look, but, they are also wondering what's this guy's story.
If it were a party, I wouldn't show pictures of my lasers. I'd show the lasers themselves. Sensibly, of course, but I would.

But focus, now. This a laser enthusiast forum, not a college party. They are not the same, and do not follow the same rules. Surely that makes sense, doesn't it?

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If his ONLY communication is to share pics of his favorite topic...and he seems otherwise harmless, they might relax and say, hmmm, maybe he's just got Aspergers?
Maybe he does have Asperger's. Would that offend you?

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So, if you don't see why it might matter, you MIGHT have Aspergers for example (Sliding scale on that one obviously...), or, it might be a coincidence that you have trouble communicating with people/understanding why they feel the way they feel, etc.
If I don't see why it matters, then maybe it just doesn't matter to me. Am I making trouble for you, by being quiet and commenting on what interests me?

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Being very shy can be a handicap in of itself...as, it forces others to initiate any contact that might occur, while simultaneously indicating that contact might not be welcome...and, so, contact is avoided.

Being avoided feels like being shunned, so, its a viscous cycle that can occur.
And that, right there, is the problem that I have with most of the "post a welcome thread!" posts. I find the consistently sanctimonious, patronizing, and condescending attitude to be rather annoying, but since those posts don't apply to me I just disregard them.

I'm a shy person. I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. Most shy people do. Again, it's my problem to work on, not yours. If you "just want what's best" for me, that's great, but your attitude on this subject is not constructive.

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Why would you want to interact with these mean people? More avoidance, more "shunning" and so forth.
BEING AN INTROVERT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BEING MEAN. Not even close! What a ridiculous, insulting thing to say. I try very hard to be nice to people and not be mean, although posts like this do try my patience. We (introverts) don't always have it in us to interact with people. Our quiet time is required, it is not an option. There is nothing to be done about it. There is nothing that needs to be done. Introverts are not broken, we are simply introverts, and it's not for you to decide what is best for us.

Btw, my "quiet time" often consists of sitting at my favorite bar, at a loud (and crowded) live music show, eating chips at salsa, and reading a book right there at the bar. It works for me. I don't care if people give me weird looks, and I don't care if they think I'm being unsociable. I'm having fun; if other people aren't then I'm sorry, but it's NOT my problem!

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So, a Welcome Thread is simply a way to say "Hi! I'm so and so and I like puppies and lasers and am not an axe murderer/scammer, and I plan to ask a lot of questions about lasers and learn as much as possible"
If I post a set of laser pictures and you automatically think that I'm an axe murderer and/or scammer, then that is your problem. Please don't make it mine.

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This is in contrast to "Look at my pictures!"

Its just how people seem to prefer to interact.

Again, not my problem. I'll to my best to be polite to people, regardless. In any case, I haven't had any significant issues with anyone here, and I've gotten lots of compliments on my pictures and some of my other ideas. I do good business, and when I agree to send something, or pay for something, I do it promptly, as a responsible person should. Apparently I'm doing something right, and that's good, isn't it?

I get the impression that you're not an introvert, and if that's the case, it's fine. Pushing and prodding me isn't. You come across as pushy and predatory. It doesn't make me want to interact with you, it makes me want to avoid you. The best thing is to just worry about you, and let me worry about me; if I have something to say, I will. Simple as that.
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Default Re: Don't be the noob that posts quantity over quality.

Guys we are getting off topic a little. This whole thread is suppose to show what to do and not to do. There are people that are on the forum that truly do accept new people. And there are some that do not! It is a matter of preference.

The biggest issue with new people and I my self was guilty of it. It is rehashing things that are posted about every other day or so. New guys want to do it the easy way instead of doing research. There are two search area on LPF and if they did research then there would not be as many issues with new guys or gal imho

Another thing is reading the stickies should be mandatory. They should be be pulled out of every sub area put into a category by them selves and then put into each section it pertains to. You have to read them before a account is given.. This is my opinion is all.

Another thing is people especially the 12 -18 crowd that love lasers cuz they are cool some times do not have the tact that comes with age. This is not a dig on them but just a opinion! They need to realize that posting in every thread makes them not very well liked. That in it self is a issue. Then we get trolls, spammers, people that like to cause wakes just for a laugh.

We just need to do better on getting the people that want to be here on lpf as a functioning member no matter the age. Polite hints on behavior some times works wonders. Others we need a sledge hammer and that does not always work. Every thing I am saying is of my own opinion and not just popular opinion. We the older generation need to guide the younger generation so that when they get to our age that they can show the younger generation the same!
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